Book by Former LC Elder Herman Massey

[Ohio]

Evangelical, it sure seems hard for you to disguise all your bitterness behind a few lofty doctrines of grace.

And why don't you talk to some of the victims of Benson Phillip's rich supply of "grace" after he instructed his legal department to file all those lawsuits against other Christians.

It's quite interesting how you can accuse Massey of supposed plagiarism. We have been saying that all along about Lee. He stole profusely from "degraded Christianity" every chance he got.

And, btw, for all of those victims of LSM -- "sugary sweet grace" was never enough. They needed the real thing to endure all of LSM's abuses.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Evangelical, it sure seems hard for you to disguise all your bitterness behind a few lofty doctrines of grace.

And why don't you talk to some of the victims of Benson Phillip's rich supply of "grace" after he instructed his legal department to file all those lawsuits against other Christians.

It's quite interesting how you can accuse Massey of supposed plagiarism. We have been saying that all along about Lee. He stole profusely from "degraded Christianity" every chance he got.

And, btw, for all of those victims of LSM -- "sugary sweet grace" was never enough. They needed the real thing to endure all of LSM's abuses.

I never accused anyone. All I am saying is that this book is clearly heavily influenced by Lee's ministry. Since you have been apart from the Recovery for so long you may not have recognized it, but I realized it the moment I read the title. I am bemused that people here would enjoy such a book so much, given the propensity to reject Lee's ministry. Yet this book is essentially Lee's ministry in another form. I am not aware of any bible preacher who focused on the idea of rivers of anything, as much as Lee. So, this book reads to me more like a success story of Lee's ministry than anything else.

If you can find where Lee "stole" the idea of "grace like a river" from please quote it. But I think we all know where Mr Massey got the idea from. Or the movement he was part of for so long has affected him so much, that he has never left Lee's ministry of flowing rivers of life and grace. For this reason I would recommend Lee's book Abiding in the Lord to Enjoy His Life which might be a good accompaniment to the book by Mr Massey.

Other books on the subject of God's grace, written by Protestant evangelicals, mostly focus on the objective and judicial aspects of that grace. Only Lee & those affected by his ministry could write at length about the subjective aspects of rivers of grace.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

All I am saying is that this book is clearly heavily influenced by Lee's ministry. Since you have been apart from the Recovery for so long you may not have recognized it, but I realized it the moment I read the title. I am bemused that people here would enjoy such a book so much, given the propensity to reject Lee's ministry.

OK. Lee was heavily influenced by others. Should we then enjoy his ministry?

Let me repeat something I have said repeatedly. I appreciated much of Lee's ministry, and Chu's, and others too. Are not all for us, as Paul told us?

I don't like the way Lee (and the Blendeds) treated people. He was a poor example of the love of God. He made a ministry of condemning others. He rejected all critiques. He sued outsiders and excommunicated insiders. If one is able to get past the leaven, Lee's teachings are helpful. That's because he took them from others.

Evangelical, what you may never understand is how destructive the ministry has been to many people. It was not just about teachings. Lee was a bad pattern. Watching him, many beloved brothers became bullies, lording it over the elect.

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P.S. I'm waiting for you to accuse me of being "hung up" on all of LSM's lawsuits. I can agree with that.

[Evangelical]

Whose ministry was Lee heavily influenced by to arrive at the revelation that grace is like a river?

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Whose ministry was Lee heavily influenced by to arrive at the revelation that grace is like a river?

Try T. Austin-Sparks: Rivers of Living Water, published 1957.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Whose ministry was Lee heavily influenced by to arrive at the revelation that grace is like a river?

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Try T. Austin-Sparks: Rivers of Living Water, published 1957.

Unbelievable!

Can't make this stuff up folks.

[Evangelical]

So there are two possible sources of plagiarism for the book - Sparks and Lee. Why would we not just read these two books instead? Why do we need this book to see what Herman via Lee via Sparks has to say?