Jezebel -- why we should know who she is.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Have you ever studied the events surrounding that meal? It was part of the transition from the Old to the New. What started as the Passover, concluded as the Lord's Supper.

Supposedly. This is a debated issue in Christianity about whether it was a Passover meal or not.

Also, the precise time when the Old finished and the New started is also a matter of debate. I lean towards the view that it was when Jesus died on the cross that stopped the Old Testament and started the New.

For the sake of discussion I will agree with you that there was an Old to New transition during the Passover. That still leaves the question of how the church celebrated the Lord's Table during the early stages of the New Testament.

I am quite sure based upon the New Testament and church history, that they did not proclaim "woohoo, we can never celebrate the Lord's Supper wherever we like because Jesus said location doesn't matter". In other words, it must have been such a burden for them to celebrate the Lord's Table in a 4-walled house, that they could not wait to celebrate it in a park or some other location (sarcasm).

I just wonder if you have thought through the practical implications of your "worship anywhere" doctrine and seen that Scripture does not show the disciples acting willy-nilly. I agree with you that in principle worship can be done anywhere, as it is a spiritual thing after all. But church is not just a matter of exercising one's spirit (which may be done anywhere), but of congregation in a physical location for a particular purpose. I would probably separate worship into two aspects - private worship which can be done anywhere, and corporate worship which cannot be done just anywhere.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Supposedly. This is a debated issue in Christianity about whether it was a Passover meal or not.

All the preparations were made for the Lord and his disciples to celebrate the Passover, so we have no reason to suspect that they did not. But what was recorded was the first Table Meeting of the new covenant. Jesus broke bread and they shared the cup.

Of course, the meal was a transition ... In type. The Lord's body was broken and His blood shed ... In symbolism ... During the meal. Later that same day (Jewish day, evening then morning) He actually shed His blood.

[Evangelical]

The differences between passover and what they did has lead some to conclude that it was more of a chavurah than a seder. Or a chavurah with clear symbolism relating it to the passover.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I just wonder if you have thought through the practical implications of your "worship anywhere" doctrine and seen that Scripture does not show the disciples acting willy-nilly. I agree with you that in principle worship can be done anywhere, as it is a spiritual thing after all. But church is not just a matter of exercising one's spirit (which may be done anywhere), but of congregation in a physical location for a particular purpose. I would probably separate worship into two aspects - private worship which can be done anywhere, and corporate worship which cannot be done just anywhere.

The "doctrine" is not mine. Have you not read John 4?

Willy-nilly? So how do you define your doctrine? You tell me in detail what makes an officially-samctioned LSM-approved Table meeting.

What about damp coal mines and cemeteries? Does that qualify? What about Roman catacombs? Were they legit? What about Cappadocian caves?

I need some serious detail bro. Please provide several pages of specs for me to check off. Can't leave anything to chance. Need to know specifics, such as whether whole wheat flour is acceptable or not, cause we had one elder sister tear up the bread for not being bleached flour. Got to dot all the "I's" eh? Don't want no willy-nilly to get us.

[Evangelical]

They did not choose those places out of free choice but out of necessity because of persecution. Even those choices indicate specific meeting places rather than meeting wherever it pleased them.

[Drake]

Evangelical)"The only time I have gotten sick from church was from a potluck dinner."

It was the pot stickers wasn't it? I knew it. Almost went for them but went for the lasagna instead.



Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

They did not choose those places out of free choice but out of necessity because of persecution. Even those choices indicate specific meeting places rather than meeting wherever it pleased them.

Where's my detailed specs?

So ... are there none?

Or is it as we all thought ... only LSM-approved meetings are sanctioned and this sanctioning process began during the Philip Lee administration, a man by all accounts not even saved!

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Where's my detailed specs?

There are really no detailed specs. Any house or other suitable building will suffice. The important thing is that it stands for the locality in the city, and I'm not aware of any other ministry other than LSM that will help facilitate that.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

The important thing is that it stands for the locality in the city, and I'm not aware of any other ministry other than LSM that will help facilitate that.

Thank the Lord for that!

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Thank the Lord for that!

Amen. The fact that no one else facilitates locality should tell you something about the teaching.