Do you think Christianity is degraded?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Then what is the point of the term "the proper ground"?

If Jesus purchased the ground, then it belongs to Him and Jezebel has no standing on it. Hence his word that He has this against them that they tolerate the woman Jezebel, since she has no standing to be there they shouldn't have tolerated her.

Obviously if your "proper ground" is the boundary of a city you will have Jezebel's inside the boundary, you have a worldly ground.

But if the proper ground is the ground purchased by Jesus redemption, then there is absolutely no reason why Jezebel would have any right to stand on that ground.

The only sign given of a "true church" is the sign of Jonah.

I think you are confusing the difference between the foundation of the building which is Christ, and the ground which the building rests upon which is the locality.

Jesus spoke to the church in Thyatira about Jezebel. Suppose that the church had two denominations - Lutheran and Baptist. Suppose that Jezebel was tolerated in the Baptist church but not the Lutheran church. To whom does Jesus's words apply? It must be to both churches, because his letter was addressed to Thyatira, not to the baptists or the Lutherans alone.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I think you are confusing the difference between the foundation of the building which is Christ, and the ground which the building rests upon which is the locality.

Colossians 2.7 specifically says that we are "rooted and built up in Christ."

Christ is not only our foundation, He is also the ground, and He is also the building.

Please study your Bible again.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Colossians 2.7 specifically says that we are "rooted and built up in Christ."

Christ is not only our foundation, He is also the ground, and He is also the building.

Please study your Bible again.

That rules out the denominations then, because Christ is not their ground. What is the ground of Roman Catholicism for example? I'll give you a hint: (their ground is in their name). Is it standing on the person of Christ? Or is it standing on a doctrine which says that the Roman catholic church is the true church, and "The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth". Their ground is not Christ.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

That rules out the denominations then, because Christ is not their ground. What is the ground of Roman Catholicism for example? I'll give you a hint: (their ground is in their name). Is it standing on the person of Christ? Or is it standing on a doctrine which says that the Roman catholic church is the true church, and "The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth". Their ground is not Christ.

Millions of real "evangelicals" will agree with you on that!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I think you are confusing the difference between the foundation of the building which is Christ, and the ground which the building rests upon which is the locality.

No doubt one of us is confused. So the building is the church, the foundation is Christ, and the ground that this all rests on, for eternity, is "locality".

Now a major tenet in WL's and WN's teaching is that you have to buy the ground. Abraham buying the burial plot, David with the Sin and Peace offering, etc.

So then do you agree that the purchase for the ground on which the church is built was Christ's redemption?

This creates a dilemma. Jesus said that His kingdom was not of this world, yet their is nothing more of this world than the boundaries of worldly cities.

Jesus said to render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar and to God that which belongs to God. No doubt we have been redeemed by Jesus and we belong to Him. But the land that these cities are built on has been purchased by Caesar and belongs to him.

How can that be? How can Caesar own the land that the church is built on?