Nigel Tomes - LSM's Unorthodox Satanology

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That's like saying that Psalm 8.2-8 do not refer to Jesus Christ.

Better tell the writer of Hebrews 2 that.

Not really. We know that Psalm 8 refers to Christ because of Hebrews 2. There is no New testament verse that I know of that links Satan with Ezekiel 28:12, or Isaiah 14:12.

If we cannot find such a reference in the New Testament, we should conclude that they only refer to the kings and not to Satan. For Isaiah 14:12 there is Luke 10:18. But the only connection is "falling from heaven", and the connection that it must refer to Satan is not so clear.

I can easily prove that Isaiah 14:12 is not talking about Satan or any angel, because verse 16 says this:

Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Because verse 16 says it is talking about a man, and Satan has never been a man, we can conclude that Isaiah 14:12 is not about Satan and there is no explicit link to Luke 10:18 which is referring to Satan's (not a man's) fall from heaven.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Not really. We know that Psalm 8 refers to Christ because of Hebrews 2. There is no New testament verse that I know of that links Satan with Ezekiel 28:12, or Isaiah 14:12.

Have you not read how angels have appeared as men?

And the whole world will look at this insignificant king of Tyre and wonder, "is this the man who made the earth tremble and shake kingdoms?"

It's amazing to me that you would cling so tenaciously to Nee's and Lee's teachings about the church with no name, and yet reject their views from Pember et. al. on "earth's earliest ages."

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Have you not read how angels have appeared as men?
And the whole world will look at this insignificant king of Tyre and wonder, "is this the man who made the earth tremble and shake kingdoms?"
It's amazing to me that you would cling so tenaciously to Nee's and Lee's teachings about the church with no name, and yet reject their views from Pember et. al. on "earth's earliest ages."

Sure they could be angels, so which angel?

Well in my view, Nee and Lee are right about some things and wrong about other things. I haven't met a person yet who is right about everything.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Sure they could be angels, so which angel?

Well in my view, Nee and Lee are right about some things and wrong about other things. I haven't met a person yet who is right about everything.

Which angels visited Abraham, and then went to Sodom?

The Bible often does not give names of angels, except for Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer.