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Old 09-05-2016, 05:13 PM   #1
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Umm, life study of the Psalms and James? Your claim that "they don't care about books in the Bible like Psalms or James" is probably an overstatement.
It's not an overstatement. Here are some excerpts in case you haven't read what he said in the Life-Studies of either books:
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II. THE PSALMS WERE WRITTEN ACCORDING TO TWO KINDS OF CONCEPTS
The Psalms were written according to two kinds of concepts. We also have to pick up this point. Otherwise, we cannot properly understand the Psalms.

A. The Human Concept of the Holy Writers
The first concept, according to which the Psalms were written, is the human concept of the holy writers…

B. The Divine Concept of God
The Psalms were also written according to the divine concept of God as the divine revelation…
We need to apply these two kinds of concepts to Psalm 1 and Psalm 2…

According to what concept was Psalm 1 written? Is Psalm 1 good or not? Surely it is a good psalm, yet it was written according to the human concept….
This shows us that Psalm 1 is good, but it was written with a wrong concept... Thus, we should not highly appraise Psalm 1. It was written wrongly with a wrong concept, a human concept.

Life-Study of Psalms, Message 1
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However, to call these believers in Christ the twelve tribes, as God's chosen people in His Old Testament economy, may also indicate the lack of a clear view concerning the distinction between Christians and Jews, between God's New Testament economy and the Old Testament dispensation, that God in the New Testament has delivered and separated the Jewish believers in Christ from the Jewish nation, which was then considered by God as a "perverse generation" (Acts 2:40).

Life-Study of James, Message 1
In both cases, WL clearly had the intention to instill some amount of mistrust towards both of these books. He plainly states that Psalms 1 is written according to the “wrong concept.” His metric of Psalms written according to the human concept vs divine concept is subsequently used to pick and choose what he likes.

With James, he questions whether or not James had a “clear view” of what he calls “God’s New Testament economy.” He is basically challenging James’ credibility. This is not the way that we read the Bible, and I reject such nonsense.
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Old 09-05-2016, 05:20 PM   #2
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With James, he questions whether or not James had a “clear view” of what he calls “God’s New Testament economy.” He is basically challenging James’ credibility. This is not the way that we read the Bible, and I reject such nonsense.
Many words recorded in the Scriptures are the words of Satan, evil men, God's opposers, and even the nonsensical talk of godly men. Furthermore, all the words of the Scriptures were breathed out by God and recorded for a particular purpose. In Genesis 3 the purpose is to expose the subtlety of the enemy. In Acts 21 and in the book of James the purpose is to show us the possibility that a godly person may lack the clear, heavenly view of God's New Testament economy. (Witness Lee, Lesson book, Level 6: The Bible -- The Word of God, Chapter 20, Sect 1)

Yes, according to Witness Lee the purpose for the book of James in the Bible is to show us the possibility that a godly man may lack a clear, heavenly view of God's New Testament economy. This is how a deceitful person can reconcile his claim that "all scripture is God breathed".

Witness Lee's attitude toward the book of James is what first alerted me to the fact that this book, more than any other, exposes his deceit.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:24 PM   #3
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Many words recorded in the Scriptures are the words of Satan, evil men, God's opposers, and even the nonsensical talk of godly men. Furthermore, all the words of the Scriptures were breathed out by God and recorded for a particular purpose. In Genesis 3 the purpose is to expose the subtlety of the enemy. In Acts 21 and in the book of James the purpose is to show us the possibility that a godly person may lack the clear, heavenly view of God's New Testament economy. (Witness Lee, Lesson book, Level 6: The Bible -- The Word of God, Chapter 20, Sect 1)

Yes, according to Witness Lee the purpose for the book of James in the Bible is to show us the possibility that a godly man may lack a clear, heavenly view of God's New Testament economy. This is how a deceitful person can reconcile his claim that "all scripture is God breathed".

Witness Lee's attitude toward the book of James is what first alerted me to the fact that this book, more than any other, exposes his deceit.
For me, it's books like James that act as a reality check. I don't read James with the intention to look at anyone but myself, but it becomes readily apparent how easy it is to loose one's bearing when immersed in a hyper-spiritual environment which claims to only care for 'life'.
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Old 09-06-2016, 03:37 AM   #4
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For me, it's books like James that act as a reality check. I don't read James with the intention to look at anyone but myself, but it becomes readily apparent how easy it is to loose one's bearing when immersed in a hyper-spiritual environment which claims to only care for 'life'.
Yes, I found it really brought me back to the Lord's word to love your neighbor as yourself and to love God with your whole heart.
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