God-men or Con-men in the Lord's Recovery

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Our brothers in Christ who have been led by Brother Lee have the same problem he did in the leadership. They hide sins instead of dealing with them - like politicians, not God-men. They support lies and speak them too, without conscience, as certain politicians do, and such ones as are protected by other politicians unfaithful to the truth.

In the area of truthfulness concerning past relationships in the churches, our brothers in Christ are not God-men at all; rather, they deceive the saints by controlling information and actually con them into thinking things are true that are not. I have never liked hearing the word con-man used to describe our leaders but I now have to admit that the distinction is fitting after all that has been uncovered. S. I.


www.twoturmoils.com/GodmenORConmen.pdf

Chinese Blending Brothers Collaborate
www.twoturmoils.com/SailingovertheTruthAgain.pdf

Something that has been frequently discussed, and something that I am inclined to agree with is that WL's latter ministry (aka "high peak") was a guise for the questionable activities that had occurred prior.

Terminology like "God-men" is just an attempt to quietly uplift those who would have otherwise questionable character.

Although calling LC leaders "con-men" is a bit provocative, it is a deserving title. Things must be called for which they are, otherwise deception will run rampant.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Freedom

Although calling LC leaders "con-men" is a bit provocative, it is a deserving title. Things must be called for which they are, otherwise deception will run rampant.

AND, deception has run rampant over the years, being cap stoned in a 2014 book by the blending brothers - who underscore, rather than uncover, the falsehoods they helped create and shamelessly perpetuate.

Dear brother Philip Lin,

Thank you for pointing out in your book the commendable aspects you observed in the life of Witness Lee that you attest to as one who was close to him for many years. Although I was not close to him, I benefited greatly from him and his ministry, as you shared about in your experience: “Witness Lee helped me to enjoy Christ as my life and as my life supply, which enabled me to live a normal Christian life. Through his ministry I also saw the divine economy of God, and his ministry supplies Christ’s grace in faith and love for me to persevere in my walk unto Christ’s return.” Many have a similar testimony, Philip.

But, as you know, many also have a testimony of a different kind that warrants much attention which you did not detail in your book; the truth shows there is a painful contrast between the Witness Lee you depict and the one you do not. You certainly hinted that brother Lee had weaknesses and you made use of the oft-used clause for covering him up saying that “he was not perfect, no one is perfect”, but you concealed any detail, only stating that he wasn’t meant to be in business. There was no detail on this and any other lamentable aspect that damaged his testimony and the churches. Consequently, you are not as Paul, the apostle who could say, “we have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty”; but instead in a crafty way you dance around the truth and keep hidden things hidden that should be renounced.

This has been the way of the blending brothers, to sail over the truth. And after years of sailing, Andrew Yu and Minoru Chen, apparently endorsing your book, are sailing on over the truth again.

Chinese Blending Brothers Collaborate

www.twoturmoils.com/SailingovertheTruthAgain.pdf

[HERn]

I believe all the being blended brothers an elders would agree that they are outside of Christianity. I think there are 8 million JWs and 14 million Mormons in the world who most Protestants would also are outside of Christianity. There may be a few perfectly good teachings in both of those groups, as there may be in the Lord's Recovery, but why would anyone want to go to these groups for any teaching. Oh, that's right all of them have special men that saw things that evaded Paul, John, Peter, and even the Christ of God never saw. There is no MOTA, there is only the Christ, His apostles, and faithful elders, pastors, and deacons who gave their lives for the church. Many of the earliest church fathers were martyred or died destitute. WL died relatively rich as the head of a small religious organization and publishing house. I'll honor God, His Christ, and the faithful saints who gave their lives. I will not honor a man that deceived the saints to contribute to a RV manufacturing scheme that apparently made his reprobate son rich.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Freedom

...Although calling LC leaders "con-men" is a bit provocative, it is a deserving title. Things must be called for which they are, otherwise deception will run rampant.

Sacrifice and Sail On
Responding to Philip Lin's book

"...Witness Lee said in 1988 he pondered seriously the concerns of several brothers who had been in contact with him, and he checked with the Lord earnestly to see if he was making any mistakes in his ministry. He concluded that he was all right before the Lord and that he should just “sail on”, and issued the command to the churches to do likewise. Philip, your book shows that you have followed that command. To sail on you had to sacrifice. You sacrificed firstly your conscience, and therefore the truth; having done that, it became easy for you to sacrifice your brothers, as brother Lee did, and became the example.

"This is the keystone of your book to me that you have done this again and merely repeat the same mistakes made by leaders before you. You have truly sacrificed and are still sailing on. Instead of manifesting the truth this time by renouncing the hidden things of shame, you glorify someone; and speak falsehoods about others, brothers who you know were right according to your conscience and who stood against the hidden things brought to your attention then, and now.

This has been the way of the blending brothers, to sail over the truth. And after years of sailing, Andrew Yu and Minoru Chen, apparently endorsing your book, are sailing on over the truth again [

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[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Sacrifice and Sail On
Responding to Philip Lin's book

"...Witness Lee said in 1988 he pondered seriously the concerns of several brothers who had been in contact with him, and he checked with the Lord earnestly to see if he was making any mistakes in his ministry. He concluded that he was all right before the Lord and that he should just “sail on”, and issued the command to the churches to do likewise. Philip, your book shows that you have followed that command. To sail on you had to sacrifice. You sacrificed firstly your conscience, and therefore the truth; having done that, it became easy for you to sacrifice your brothers, as brother Lee did, and became the example.

"This is the keystone of your book to me that you have done this again and merely repeat the same mistakes made by leaders before you. You have truly sacrificed and are still sailing on. Instead of manifesting the truth this time by renouncing the hidden things of shame, you glorify someone; and speak falsehoods about others, brothers who you know were right according to your conscience and who stood against the hidden things brought to your attention then, and now.

This has been the way of the blending brothers, to sail over the truth. And after years of sailing, Andrew Yu and Minoru Chen, apparently endorsing your book, are sailing on over the truth again [

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What would Philip Lin say in response to what he said to Paul Kerr in the late 80's?
In respect to Witness Lee, I would never say he was a "God-man". In respect to his spoken ministry, it was not a con. In respect to his business dealings of Daystar, LSM, Linko, etc it was definitely a con. Why focus primarily on Chinese speaking saints?

• Generally more capital than English speaking saints
• Chinese saints are more easily manipulated than English speaking saints

Why would English speaking co-workers continue speaking the praises of Witness Lee?

• They're paid employees of LSM
• They're fiancially supported by the localities they "claim" to serve.
• Respect and pride