LC Gibberish

[JJ]

Originally Posted by OBW

Actually, the Bible says it pretty well. If there is any problem with understanding he Bible, it is that on occasion there are places where having it said more clearly, not more cryptically, would be helpful.

And most of those banner-like, long phrases do not provide clarity. Instead they redefine and obfuscate.

All scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching. All Leeisms are Lee-breathed and profitable for Lee through the LSM.

Agreed. "Dispensing" is a good example (talk about an over-used WLism!). Why not use "fill" like the Bible does? Be filled in spirit, or be filled with the Spirit... straight forward. Exercise the spirit? Doesn't say that in my Bible, exercise thyself unto godliness is what it says. So, we end up with a whole new religion with part truth, part fantasy, part way of the nations (fallen human king dominating others while they exalt him and war with others).

[OBW]

This one has been dormant for almost a month but it was calling my name. (hear it calling yours?)

Originally Posted by JJ

Agreed. "Dispensing" is a good example (talk about an over-used WLism!). Why not use "fill" like the Bible does? Be filled in spirit, or be filled with the Spirit... straight forward. Exercise the spirit? Doesn't say that in my Bible, exercise thyself unto godliness is what it says. So, we end up with a whole new religion with part truth, part fantasy, part way of the nations (fallen human king dominating others while they exalt him and war with others).

You might be right. But I think that dispensing meant something other than just "fill." The impression that I got then (in less critical terms, but nonetheless what I got) was that is was like needing a week of complete multi-course meals at a high-end restaurant, but instead getting it doled out over much longer in depression era bread lines.

Dispensing was the reason that you couldn't do anything. It was never the reason you could, or even should. It was something that you always needed more of because it didn't just happen and you (erroneously under Lee's teachings) thought that you weren't supposed to try anyway. You were supposed to wait for the dispensing.

Oddly, one of Nee's books that made its way into wider Christian circles, Sit Walk Stand, quietly proposed the same error. It insisted that you needed to sit for a while until you were ready to stand.

But that is not the way Peter said it. He declared that we have what we need for life and godliness. I'm sure that Paul said it too, even if less directly. He really did do a lot of "straighten out and fly right" kind of writing. It is just that we are too prone to looking the spiritual facts that underpinned the reason we should do and ignore the do and just try to do the spiritual. Those were facts, not mountains to be climbed.

[OBW]

I have mentioned before that a relative of mine insisted several years ago that the way you say it is very important. Somehow the words used increase the "reality" of it and the "experience" of it.

I was unable to hide my disgust at such a ridiculous notion.

[stillseekingtruth]

Originally Posted by OBW

I have mentioned before that a relative of mine insisted several years ago that the way you say it is very important. Somehow the words used increase the "reality" of it and the "experience" of it.

I was unable to hide my disgust at such a ridiculous notion.

This seems to fit with the thought that we can speak somethimg into being as if we were really are becoming God haha

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by stillseekingtruth

This seems to fit with the thought that we can speak something into being as if we were really are becoming God haha

There seems to be a fine line between what the world sees as "positive affirmation" and speaking what is true according to the word of God. But not really. The first denies the power and existence of God - "The universe will hear and respond to me if I speak this" kind of thing. (they may substitute "god" for "universe" in this practice)

The message of the Bible is we must be have faith. Faith is about believing in God who is unseen and in His Son, Jesus Christ. Faith is also agreeing with what God has to say about us, according to His word.

Yes, words do mean things. The world has a form of this in "speaking positively," and that might produce something in a temporal way to get what one desires. But in the end, it's the same for all things apart from Christ - the result is just death. But if I speak what the scripture says about me, it has fruit unto eternal life! For instance, agreeing with the word and speaking aloud scripture that "I'm a new creation!" "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ lives in me!" "I am not in flesh, but in spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in me!" "The blood of Christ has cleansed me from all sin!" "I am the righteousness of God in Christ!"

Now those are powerful words that I can speak aloud concerning who I really am already in Him! I'm not making something that's not real into something that is - it's something He has already done and speaking it helps to manifest in my experience what's already true.

Does that make sense?

[stillseekingtruth]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

There seems to be a fine line between what the world sees as "positive affirmation" and speaking what is true according to the word of God. But not really. The first denies the power and existence of God - "The universe will hear and respond to me if I speak this" kind of thing. (they may substitute "god" for "universe" in this practice)

The message of the Bible is we must be have faith. Faith is about believing in God who is unseen and in His Son, Jesus Christ. Faith is also agreeing with what God has to say about us, according to His word.

Yes, words do mean things. The world has a form of this in "speaking positively," and that might produce something in a temporal way to get what one desires. But in the end, it's the same for all things apart from Christ - the result is just death. But if I speak what the scripture says about me, it has fruit unto eternal life! For instance, agreeing with the word and speaking aloud scripture that "I'm a new creation!" "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ lives in me!" "I am not in flesh, but in spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in me!" "The blood of Christ has cleansed me from all sin!" "I am the righteousness of God in Christ!"

Now those are powerful words that I can speak aloud concerning who I really am already in Him! I'm not making something that's not real into something that is - it's something He has already done and speaking it helps to manifest in my experience what's already true.

Does that make sense?

Yes! Thank you! Speaking the word of God is different than speaking what we want. Yesterday I was talking to my neighbor and he said that “by faith” I could speak into being having a baby. Uh....no. And he said that he spoke his nephew into being and told his sister that she have a boy. He also stated that my husband and I might be in the wrong church. Seriously, dude? There were others times when I complained and saint would say, “don’t say that. Don’t speak negative because it will come true.” Again....we don’t have that kind of power, right? Even in our prayer. We must pray, but God will answer as He wills, right?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by stillseekingtruth

Yes! Thank you! Speaking the word of God is different than speaking what we want. Yesterday I was talking to my neighbor and he said that “by faith” I could speak into being having a baby. Uh....no. And he said that he spoke his nephew into being and told his sister that she have a boy. He also stated that my husband and I might be in the wrong church. Seriously, dude? There were others times when I complained and saint would say, “don’t say that. Don’t speak negative because it will come true.” Again....we don’t have that kind of power, right? Even in our prayer. We must pray, but God will answer as He wills, right?

Words do mean things and have sway, to be sure, but they (thankfully) are limited by God who says, "Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that prevails!" (Prov 19:21) Thank God, His purpose prevails! We are also told that we don't even know what we should pray for as we should, but the Spirit [speaks for us]. (Rom 8:26)

"Let your requests be made known to God . . ." (Phil 4:6)

The creator made us in His image, so humans are quite creative. And our words do carry some weight, but thankfully He limits their effect, otherwise who knows we might might try to speak into existence! LOL

I do believe we can talk ourselves into things, and especially if we speak them aloud. That is, saying something like, "Man, I just know it's going to be one of those days!" Then it probably will be one of those days. But thankfully His word is infinitely more powerful, and we can turn to Him and speak His word and what is really true!

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by stillseekingtruth

Yes! Thank you! Speaking the word of God is different than speaking what we want. Yesterday I was talking to my neighbor and he said that “by faith” I could speak into being having a baby. Uh....no. And he said that he spoke his nephew into being and told his sister that she have a boy. He also stated that my husband and I might be in the wrong church. Seriously, dude? There were others times when I complained and saint would say, “don’t say that. Don’t speak negative because it will come true.” Again....we don’t have that kind of power, right? Even in our prayer. We must pray, but God will answer as He wills, right?

Sst, scripture teaches us that our words are merely a representation of what's already in our hearts.

Words shouldn't be the sole focus of our prayers because even if we don't know what to say, God already knows our needs. It's our heart toward Him in trust and faith that truly matters.

Even you know from your experience in the GLA that scriptures can be weaponized and used against you. I too witnessed this myself. If you're using scripture in the wrong spirit, you risk turning that prayer into witchcraft.

The belief that our words have any creative power comes dangerously close to the "word of faith" heresy prevalent in a large part of Christendom. Going forward, just believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord of Lords, draw near to Him, and trust Him in all things. You can make your requests known but ultimately ask for His will to be done in your life.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by stillseekingtruth

This seems to fit with the thought that we can speak somethimg into being as if we were really are becoming God haha

This is not an easy subject to evaluate and summarize quickly. For example, in Galatians, "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap". This seems to be not only a spiritual law for believers, but for unbelievers also, to any "man". This applies even to our psychology and to our words. If you just go on in life speaking negatively about yourself, and to your dog and your family, likely you will be pretty miserable, and they will let you know so in return (and vice versa).

And then spiritually, when Peter healed and rose a person from the dead, he "spoke it so"..."But Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, get up and walk!” Then here, “Aeneas,” Peter said to him, “Jesus Christ heals you! Get up and put away your mat.” Immediately Aeneas got up". And also, "Then Peter sent them all out of the room. He knelt down and prayed, and turning toward her body, he said, “Tabitha, get up!” She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter, she sat up.

But like with many things, we can´t get superstitious about this either, and start shouting that I have won the lottery and expect it to become true...do I hear pipe dream?....