James Barber - History of Witness Lee

[aron]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Once during a training "testing time" I shared what I had been enjoying, but not very loudly or with panache. Brother Lee said "brother exercise your spirit" after I shared. I was surprised because I thought I was speaking in the Spirit, just not loudly. I didn't think a lot about it. But, I've since seen the term exercise your spirit isn't in the Bible. Exercise yourself unto godliness is. It's made me think that he was looking for loudness vs genuine spirituality. That's sad.

If you look at Wesley and Edwards, they didn't speak loudly. But their effect was profound. Whitefield, on the other hand, was a master showman and orator. He could speak to 20,000 in the open air, with no microphone or speakers.

But Wesley and Edwards were quiet, and very reserved. But their words had force. But in Lee's definition neither one exercised their human spirit while speaking. Go figure.

By the way, I never did figure out which one of them had the ministry of the age, and which was supposed to get in line and know their place. Funny how that never was an issue with them. I guess they never saw the high peak revelation of God'd Deputy.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by aron

If you look at Wesley and Edwards, they didn't speak loudly. But their effect was profound. Whitefield, on the other hand, was a master showman and orator. He could speak to 20,000 in the open air, with no microphone or speakers.

But Wesley and Edwards were quiet, and very reserved. But their words had force. But in Lee's definition neither one exercised their human spirit while speaking. Go figure.

By the way, I never did figure out which one of them had the ministry of the age, and which was supposed to get in line and know their place. Funny how that never was an issue with them. I guess they never saw the high peak revelation of God'd Deputy.

I don't seem to remember either Whitefield or Wesley in the official LSM sanctioned MOTA lineage, and I used to consider that to be quite odd.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by aron

If you look at Wesley and Edwards, they didn't speak loudly. But their effect was profound. Whitefield, on the other hand, was a master showman and orator. He could speak to 20,000 in the open air, with no microphone or speakers.

But Wesley and Edwards were quiet, and very reserved. But their words had force. But in Lee's definition neither one exercised their human spirit while speaking. Go figure.

By the way, I never did figure out which one of them had the ministry of the age, and which was supposed to get in line and know their place. Funny how that never was an issue with them. I guess they never saw the high peak revelation of God's Deputy.

Good points aron. Paul downplayed the importance of outward impressiveness in 2 Corinthians 10. Concerning himself he quotes others as saying "For they say, “His letters are weighty and strong, but his personal presence is unimpressive and his speech contemptible.” The whole book of 2 Corinthians is a great read and shows what true ministers of the age look like. And, I mean ministers in plural.

If I recall correctly, Apollos was said to be eloquent in Acts. Like Wesley and Edwards they were both ministers of the age.