Leaders of the Lord's Recovery

[aron]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sounds no different than the politicians on Wall Street.

Yes, I referenced the 2008 financial scandal of Wall Street deliberately.

The question for me, which can be arguably traced back to Genesis Chapter 6 is, "Who watches the Watchers?" Or, who judges the judge, when that person judges wrongly?

The USA political system was set up with "checks and balances", because it was known that men, even leaders, were fallible creatures. The Judicial System watches the Legislators, the Legislators appoint the Judiciary, the people vote for the Legislators etc.

In spiritual, Christian affairs, Jesus allowed for checks and balances: i.e. "tell it to the church"; as did Paul's "receiving accusations against elders". There should be covering of the inadequacy and frailty of human psyche and flesh; nonetheless there isn't and shouldn't be covering for evil. Darkness should be uprooted, exposed and expelled. The light shines and the darkness cannot overcome it. The church and its citizens should be holy, just as our God is holy.

Originally Posted by Acts 19:18

Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed what they had done.

Obviously the system set up by Nee and Lee has no checks and balances, no accountability. The Leaders of the Lord's Recovery demand unquestioning submission, and absolute silence from the proletariat... Indiana's crime was his unwillingness to silence and hide what wasn't convenient to LSM's 'official' narrative. There was nepostism, favoritism, bias, cover-ups, financial impropriety, whitewashing (lies), political maneuverings, and more. So, his final recourse was to tell it to the church.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by aron

Yes, I referenced the 2008 financial scandal of Wall Street deliberately.

The question for me, which can be arguably traced back to Genesis Chapter 6 is, "Who watches the Watchers?" Or, who judges the judge, when that person judges wrongly?

The USA political system was set up with "checks and balances", because it was known that men, even leaders, were fallible creatures. The Judicial System watches the Legislators, the Legislators appoint the Judiciary, the people vote for the Legislators etc.

In spiritual, Christian affairs, Jesus allowed for checks and balances: i.e. "tell it to the church"; as did Paul's "receiving accusations against elders". There should be covering of the inadequacy and frailty of human psyche and flesh; nonetheless there isn't and shouldn't be covering for evil. Darkness should be uprooted, exposed and expelled. The light shines and the darkness cannot overcome it. The church and its citizens should be holy, just as our God is holy.

The Leaders of the Lord's Recovery demand unquestioning submission, and absolute silence from the proletariat... Indiana's crime was his unwillingness to silence and hide what wasn't convenient to LSM's 'official' narrative. There was nepostism, favoritism, bias, cover-ups, financial impropriety, whitewashing (lies), political maneuverings, and more. So, his final recourse was to tell it to the church.

Keep this post in mind saints. Aron encapsulates much of the whole of a huge problem, as many former and some current members know or have right to suspect.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by aron

The USA political system was set up with "checks and balances", because it was known that men, even leaders, were fallible creatures. The Judicial System watches the Legislators, the Legislators appoint the Judiciary, the people vote for the Legislators etc.

Actually, there is at least one place where the checks and balances are relatively incomplete. That is the pinnacle of the judiciary. The top spots within the judiciary cannot be challenged other than by appeal back to the judiciary. While the administration can appoint, and the Senate confirm, no one can stand against them.

Well, not entirely. Technically, the judiciary cannot do anything that is not carried out by the administration. But no one has the gumption to test that. Therefore there is no check against the judiciary once it is in place. Only death changes things.

Now do not suppose that I think there is any very useful method of achieving that bit of balance. Simply refusing to execute the court's order is potentially whimsical. Alternately, Congress could step in and declare that aspects of a ruling are beyond the jurisdiction of the court. But what stops that from becoming another political whimsy? In short, there is no simply answer. The checks and balances ultimately have a stopping point unless one or two branches are willing to tell the third to take a hike. The President can veto. Congress can override a veto. Laws can be redrafted to fit within the parameters the court allows, but no one dares tell them that the vote of the people, through their representatives, overrides them.

I think the court would declare that the people would have to declare a constitutional convention to override them.

Effectively a veto-proof system for them.

I think there is a problem. But I've not seen a workable solution.

[TLFisher]

Attached is a short one page article I found. I don't know if it's been posted already.

[TLFisher]

Apparently the Taipei history Indiana went to the expense to have translated, someone took the translated content and had translated into Japanese:

http://www.geocities.jp/lee_localchu...taipei60s.html

[Indiana]

http://www.twoturmoils.com/TheMinist...nceptToday.pdf

The vision Brother Lee started with was not the same as he introduced later in making dramatic changes similar to what Nee had done in China. At this point in each of their ministries their designation as a minister of the age was about to appear.

Tremendous reinforcement of this view of Nee and Lee came by their own church messages, special elders’ trainings, and by key people who supported them. Their measure of authority was strengthened and broadened greatly over the churches and the elders. Ready submission among the elders to the apostle figure was expected, in order to reach his goals.

Thus, the churches were in their hand and they were fixed on their apostle and his leading, dependent on him for their direction to a large extent.

The minister of the age concept did not exist until Nee introduced it, and, when the time was ripe, Lee resurrected it and ministered it to the churches, especially implanting it into the minds of attendees of intensified training meetings, regional and international.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Thus, the churches were in their hand and they were fixed on their apostle and his leading, dependent on him for their direction to a large extent.

Originally Posted by Witness Lee

"The practice of today’s Christianity is absolutely different in principle. Wherever there is a gifted person, a spiritual “giant” with a certain gift, that person will begin a work. He will build up a certain Christian organization or ministry, and possibly call it some worthy name. We are not opposing anyone, but we are against the wrong principles which damage the Body life."

When Witness Lee passed, the brothers loyal to him said, "The age of spiritual giants is over." Thus thyey declared that Lee was, indeed, one of these giants that damage the Body life. By their own words they indicted themselves, that they had created a monstrous "giant".

[aron]

Originally Posted by aron

When Witness Lee passed, the brothers loyal to him said, "The age of spiritual giants is over." Thus they declared that Lee was, indeed, one of these giants that damage the Body life. By their own words they indicted themselves, that they had created a monstrous "giant".

Originally Posted by Jane Anderson

When I got into trouble in the Local Church, I was accused of trying to be a spiritual giant and of seeking my own individual spirituality. I was told that the age of spiritual giants was over and that this was the age of the church, the "corporate Christ." But the truth is that there is no such thing as a spiritual giant. p.310

The LC faithful told JA that the age of spiritual giants was over, but when WL died, they tried to resurrect the theme. NOW, they said, the age of spiritual giants is over, now that WL has passed on.

Anyone who is called a spiritual giant, on this side of the Judgment Seat of Christ, is being delusional.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by aron

In spiritual, Christian affairs, Jesus allowed for checks and balances: i.e. "tell it to the church"; as did Paul's "receiving accusations against elders". There should be covering of the inadequacy and frailty of human psyche and flesh; nonetheless there isn't and shouldn't be covering for evil. Darkness should be uprooted, exposed and expelled. The light shines and the darkness cannot overcome it. The church and its citizens should be holy, just as our God is holy.

Obviously the system set up by Nee and Lee has no checks and balances, no accountability. The Leaders of the Lord's Recovery demand unquestioning submission, and absolute silence from the proletariat... Indiana's crime was his unwillingness to silence and hide what wasn't convenient to LSM's 'official' narrative.

The whole LSM/LC system is predicated on men being cowards. As soon as a brother like Indiana won't cater to bullies, they just can't have that. The expectation is for Indiana "just submit to the brothers" (i.e. be a coward).

As I emphasized from Aron's post, "In spiritual, Christian affairs, Jesus allowed for checks and balances: i.e. "tell it to the church"; as did Paul's "receiving accusations against elders"."
The system LSM/LC operate in have negated all checks and balances in favor of the deputy authority doctrine. As much as they claim in their self-proclaimed theocracy that they are God's government, all I see is a cesspool of unrighteousness, deception, and misdirection. Far from being God's government.