Leaders of the Lord's Recovery

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by OBW

The point here is not to comment on that situation specifically, but to observe how un-attentive to the needs of the "uncomely members" that the LCM displays. They are all about the multi-talented ones, plus those who have the wherewithal to finance their endeavors. The rest can be called "marginal" privately. And the "marginal" label even applies to their financiers in many cases.

I have seen some devout members leave as well. In many such cases there was no effort to retain such persons. At the time, I couldn't believe that they would just let people go so easily, but they did. In retrospect, it was for the better, but all the same, it just goes to show that they have no clue about how to really care for people and their needs.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Freedom

I have seen some devout members leave as well. In many such cases there was no effort to retain such persons. At the time, I couldn't believe that they would just let people go so easily, but they did. In retrospect, it was for the better, but all the same, it just goes to show that they have no clue about how to really care for people and their needs.

I think that they don't go after people because they know that the fact that they left means that there is something wrong. They don't want anyone to speak out about what is considered wrong, so letting them go as if a cancer that has been cut off is preferred.

In other words, you have to be willing to at least try to hang on while suffering in silence. If you are actually thinking that it is beyond sticking around for, it is better that you just go.

I got 1 phone call after I left. My wife and I had been sporadic for a while, so in hind sight I think when the gap got bigger it was just an encouragement to get back to a meeting. But we had already been to meetings.

Elsewhere.

I didn't even tell them that. But no more phone calls.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by OBW

I think that they don't go after people because they know that the fact that they left means that there is something wrong. They don't want anyone to speak out about what is considered wrong, so letting them go as if a cancer that has been cut off is preferred.

Yes, it seems that this is the case. Ironically, sometimes leaders will tell members that the so-called backsliders need to be 'recovered'. If members actually took this to heart and just started contacting people who had left, I'm sure it wouldn't last long before leaders put a stop to it. None of the ex-members I know have anything good to say about the LC.

[Indiana]

Eulogy Signs of Sickness

"Whoever wrote the eulogy of Witness Lee was neither honest nor balanced in his thought process. Those who were close to brother Lee who agreed with its dispersion to the churches had spent many years forming an unhealthy and abnormal mindset about their mentor".

www.twoturmoils.com/EulogySignsofSickness.pdf

[NewManLiving]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Eulogy Signs of Sickness

"Whoever wrote the eulogy of Witness Lee was neither honest nor balanced in his thought process. Those who were close to brother Lee who agreed with its dispersion to the churches had spent many years forming an unhealthy and abnormal mindset about their mentor".

www.twoturmoils.com/EulogySignsofSickness.pdf

I have often wondered if brother Lee was suffering from some type of dementia or possibly a mental breakdown due to his son. On the one hand he goes before the Lord and seems to get some type of permission to write the horrible un-truths that appear in his book and distribute these lies to the body. He probably believed in his mind that these things were true. He also has expressed abnormal behavior in elder meetings that certain brothers took to be mental illness. Then he repents before his death. Looking back at his history he has always had a temper problem early on. But in his latter years he appeared more unstable in his thinking - saying one thing and doing another. It's unfortunate that no one was "perfected" enough to help him, at least in his own mind. That was his undoing

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by NewManLiving

I have often wondered if brother Lee was suffering from some type of dementia or possibly a mental breakdown due to his son. On the one hand he goes before the Lord and seems to get some type of permission to write the horrible un-truths that appear in his book and distribute these lies to the body. He probably believed in his mind that these things were true. He also has expressed abnormal behavior in elder meetings that certain brothers took to be mental illness. Then he repents before his death. Looking back at his history he has always had a temper problem early on. But in his latter years he appeared more unstable in his thinking - saying one thing and doing another. It's unfortunate that no one was "perfected" enough to help him, at least in his own mind. That was his undoing

WL's "high peak" ministry happened as he reached his 90's. At such an age, the very fact that he moved to something entirely 'new' seems highly suspect. I wouldn't automatically discount anyone because of their age, but just the way that everything happened, including the preceding late 80's 'turmoil' indicates that he wasn't completely lucid.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Freedom

WL's "high peak" ministry happened as he reached his 90's. At such an age, the very fact that he moved to something entirely 'new' seems highly suspect. I wouldn't automatically discount anyone because of their age, but just the way that everything happened, including the preceding late 80's 'turmoil' indicates that he wasn't completely lucid.

Being lucid may not be the problem. It could be that he was becoming more and more enamored with his own self-worth and was therefore working with the equivalent of spiritual blinders on. He only saw what he expected to see.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by OBW

I think that they don't go after people because they know that the fact that they left means that there is something wrong. They don't want anyone to speak out about what is considered wrong, so letting them go as if a cancer that has been cut off is preferred.

When I last met with a LC regularly (5-6 year ago), one of the sentiments being echoed was to shepherd the soul....meet people where they're at. I received it as lip service.
Do they meaning the brothers really want to try to shepherd me? They won't want to know. Any speaking out about the real situation would be considered negative..
Really all that's wanted is for everyone to go on positively. Any objections to anything isn't wanted.