Leaders of the Lord's Recovery

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Indiana said:

Yet Ed Marks recently told ZNPaaneah in NYC that he did it because it "pleased Brother Lee."

Just think about how many sinful, unrighteous things were done at LSM because it "pleased Brother Lee."

The fact that leaders like Ed could admit without remorse to being Lee-pleasers shows how numb they have really become. The fact that this doesn't bother the rank and file shows how well the blendeds have insulated themselves.

At this point in time, the facts have long since been made available for those who wish to know the truth. What remains is a need for LC leaders to repent. That may never happen, but what can be done is to help keep LC members from being led astray by these leaders.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Freedom

The fact that leaders like Ed could admit without remorse to being Lee-pleasers shows how numb they have really become. The fact that this doesn't bother the rank and file shows how well the blendeds have insulated themselves.

At this point in time, the facts have long since been made available for those who wish to know the truth. What remains is a need for LC leaders to repent. That may never happen, but what can be done is to help keep LC members from being led astray by these leaders.

http://www.twoturmoils.com/Problemof...mintheSoul.pdf

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Indiana

http://www.twoturmoils.com/Problemof...mintheSoul.pdf

"He was a man who lived out God in all his actions, who moved and had his being among the brothers and sisters in the churches."

I was meeting with the Church in Bellevue in 1997 when the eulogy was given at the memorial service. I distinctly remember thinking "am I the only one thinking how one dimensional they're making brother Lee out to be?" Unrealistic to suggest to the entire recovery Witness Lee would never do what anyone else would do. Or that sin never had a hold on his living.

In the years since 1997 it's become evident Reconsideration of the Vision was far more accurate a writing than Fermentation of the Present Rebellion ever was...."lived out God in all his actions"? I don't think so. Well, Witness Lee is gone, but the blendeds have had nearly 20 years to change their speaking. There's been no repentance. They've had plenty opportunity to be part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

[Indiana]

Brother Witness Lee does have a remarkable testimony, but not in the way of being the perfect God-man depicted in his eulogy, in lofty thoughts of him through "monkey vision".

This link provides a timeline of the Witness Lee era.

www.twoturmoils.com/EulogizingWitnessLee.pdf

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Brother Witness Lee does have a remarkable testimony, but not in the way of being the perfect God-man depicted in his eulogy, in lofty thoughts of him through "monkey vision".

This link provides a timeline of the Witness Lee era.

www.twoturmoils.com/EulogizingWitnessLee.pdf

WL refers to shortcomings regarding the care for certain needs of people. I believe that these were shortcomings in his own ministry. At the point in time at which some started promoting WL as a one-man show, with an "all-inclusive" ministry, that is the point in time at which the possibility was eliminated from people's minds that he had any shortcomings. Even though he made certain admissions, these things are not taken to mean anything significant.

The blendeds have tasked themselves with promoting a man and a ministry, and this has necessitated their monkey vision. I don't think those like Ed have even a second thought about calling themselves monkeys. In their minds, right and wrong is dependent on what supports WL.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Freedom

WL refers to shortcomings regarding the care for certain needs of people.

Seems to me that Lee insisted that his followers have no business caring for any needs of any people except for just enough to get some "good material" in the doors and involved in the system. That mostly means buying LSM materials and going to trainings.

Yeah, I'm pretty cynical.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by OBW

Seems to me that Lee insisted that his followers have no business caring for any needs of any people except for just enough to get some "good material" in the doors and involved in the system. That mostly means buying LSM materials and going to trainings.

Yeah, I'm pretty cynical.

The LC does seem to be catered towards a specific group of people, and it’s probably fair to say that it meets certain needs - at least initially. The classic example might be the college freshman who is looking for community and finds it with the LC.

What I have seen in the LC is that as people age, the LC is less likely to meet whatever needs it met previously. I’ve seen people leave that I never have expected to, sometimes when “life happens”, or sometimes it’s just because they aren’t getting any attention anymore like they were in college. Whatever the case is, it seems that those who have stayed and are older tend to be excessively needy. For many, it’s probably a cry for help. I feel sorry for them, but there’s not much that can be done.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Freedom

WL refers to shortcomings regarding the care for certain needs of people. I believe that these were shortcomings in his own ministry.

I heard a few dismal apologies in this regard from both WL and TC. Actually their "apology" was really "spinning" an abusive situation. TC would make this type of apology after another one of the gifted brothers would leave following decades of severe abuse.

My question is "what are you actually apologizing for?" Do you have remorse for hurting them or just loosing them? And what "would you do different?" Would you treat these brothers with decency and respect? Would you put an end to public blaming and shaming?

No? I didn't think so.