Deputy Authority and the Ground of Oneness

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Freedom

It seems that LC history has been punctuated by calls to "return back to the ministry" after chaotic events. Unfortunately, it must have never occurred to anyone just where the chaos originated from. Max is the perfect example of that. Surely, some amount of blame can be placed on him for what happened, but when did the other party involved (WL) ever step up to the plate and accept some of the blame as well? It was completely disingenuous for WL to sit back and watch other brothers "repent" and even let them set an example for saints to "line up" with his ministry as a solution to the problem that occurred.

Titus Chu painted a picture for decades in the GLA that placed a pristine image of Lee, his own spiritual father, in the center surrounded by incompetent buffoons who were always messing up God's pure burden given to Lee in order to lead His move on earth.

Why didn't anyone sit back and ask why all the problems emanated from Anaheim where Lee lived? Why was it that those surrounding Lee constantly created problems which blew up into category 5 "hurricanes?" Why was it that the base explanation given in the aftermath of destruction was that these brothers were "ambitious?" Why was it that we believed lies?

Were it not for the "heavenly flow" of information on the internet (thank you Al Gore!) most of us would still believe the lies out of Anaheim.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Why didn't anyone sit back and ask why all the problems emanated from Anaheim where Lee lived? Why was it that those surrounding Lee constantly created problems which blew up into category 5 "hurricanes?" Why was it that the base explanation given in the aftermath of destruction was that these brothers were "ambitious?" Why was it that we believed lies?

Why did brothers look the other way when molehills were allowed to become a Mt Everest?

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Titus Chu painted a picture for decades in the GLA that placed a pristine image of Lee, his own spiritual father, in the center surrounded by incompetent buffoons who were always messing up God's pure burden given to Lee in order to lead His move on earth.

Why didn't anyone sit back and ask why all the problems emanated from Anaheim where Lee lived? Why was it that those surrounding Lee constantly created problems which blew up into category 5 "hurricanes?" Why was it that the base explanation given in the aftermath of destruction was that these brothers were "ambitious?" Why was it that we believed lies?

Were it not for the "heavenly flow" of information on the internet (thank you Al Gore!) most of us would still believe the lies out of Anaheim.

The DCP statement that Indiana has posted is indicative of what type of problem exists in the LC. They will openly claim that there are those who abuse authority, yet they are ignorant as to who the worst offenders are.

It seems to me that WL spoke strongly against many of the things that he himself was. This led everyone to never suspect that he was guilty of the same. For example, WL spoke strongly against ambition and labeled certain brothers as such. No one ever wondered if WL was also ambitious. Given the statement that WL once made: "Lee must be famous", I think there is sufficient evidence to say that WL was an ambitious person as well.

I have speculated before that perhaps some of WL's ministry was his own psychological projection, that is, projecting his personality traits upon others. I think the blendeds tend to do this as well. They seem to have the tendency to speak strongly against what they are. I remember reading something about the blendeds saying how the podium shouldn't be used for innuendos (presumably something Titus was doing), but that is exactly what they do as well. It's no wonder after ever single "turmoil", they never learn from what happened. It seems no one can identify the real problem at hand.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Freedom

The DCP statement that Indiana has posted is indicative of what type of problem exists in the LC. They will openly claim that there are those who abuse authority, yet they are ignorant as to who the worst offenders are.

It seems to me that WL spoke strongly against many of the things that he himself was. This led everyone to never suspect that he was guilty of the same. For example, WL spoke strongly against ambition and labeled certain brothers as such. No one ever wondered if WL was also ambitious. Given the statement that WL once made: "Lee must be famous", I think there is sufficient evidence to say that WL was an ambitious person as well.

I have speculated before that perhaps some of WL's ministry was his own psychological projection, that is, projecting his personality traits upon others. I think the blendeds tend to do this as well. They seem to have the tendency to speak strongly against what they are. I remember reading something about the blendeds saying how the podium shouldn't be used for innuendos (presumably something Titus was doing), but that is exactly what they do as well. It's no wonder after ever single "turmoil", they never learn from what happened. It seems no one can identify the real problem at hand.

LSM's leaders live in a delusion that they alone represent God on earth. Hence, they feel they can do no wrong, and anyone who speaks against them is an enemy of God. The Blendeds were convinced by Lee that Nee enjoyed such a godman status, then Lee himself followed, and now they do too. Their mentality is no different than the Pope's supposed status, and his infallibility doctrine.

[TLFisher]

Deputy authority works for a reason and that's to shirk accountability. Maybe I am speaking just for myself, but it would be a relief to many on this forum if Local church leaders were held accountable by fellow members of the Body and not just their peers. As has been the past and present Local church leaders feel they're only accountable to God. This is why the spiritual principle of reconciliation is ineffective.

[UntoHim]

Good points Terry. Actually, the sad truth is that many of these brothers apparently do not feel accountable to God at all, but only to the person and work of Witness Lee. They make no attempt to deny that their authority comes not from God and his Word, but only from the authority bequeathed by Lee (his person) and the supposed "ministry of the age" (his work). May God have mercy.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Good points Terry. Actually, the sad truth is that many of these brothers apparently do not feel accountable to God at all, but only to the person and work of Witness Lee. They make no attempt to deny that their authority comes not from God and his Word, but only from the authority bequeathed by Lee (his person) and the supposed "ministry of the age" (his work). May God have mercy.

When will the hero-worship end? It's time the blendeds took heed to Jesus' words: But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.” (Matt 8:22).

WL had been dead for how long? It's almost if they can't accept that he's gone.