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[awareness]

How long do we have to wait to confirm or disconfirm Cahn's prediction?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

How long do we have to wait to confirm or disconfirm Cahn's prediction?

What did Cahn predict would happen?

[Jesus4Me]

Originally Posted by awareness

How long do we have to wait to confirm or disconfirm Cahn's prediction?

The point is to be always ready. If Jesus said that He will come like a thief in the night; at a time when no one will think He will come; one could surmise such a time when nothing happens after all of these convincing predictions, and wind up with people mocking disappointed christians, then that is when people & believers may let their guards down; and viola; Hello.

BTW: If believers think all christians will be raptured; they are wrong. Only those abiding in Him as His disciples, by His grace & by His help, will be taken since no flesh shall glory in His Prescence, the "elect" will be praising the Lord for delivering them by His righteousness & His faithfulness; which is part of the reason why Jesus was warning believers, even His disciples, to always be ready by preparing themselves to be ready by Him to meet the Bridegroom by running that race in laying aside every weight & sin as the Author & Finsher of our faith will finish His work in us since the just can only live by faith.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Notice how He still calls those left behind in receiving stripes His servants as He is the Lord of that servant still as prophesied of old.

Psalm 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

So this is where we get Christ's the firstfruits at the pre trib rapture and they that be Chrust's at His coming.

1 Corinthians 15: 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

This is where we get the vessels unto dishonour from that are still in His House for failing to look to Him in trusting Him as their Good Shepherd for help & discernment in departing from iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So best stop looking for signs in getting oneself ready; time to look to the Good Shepherd in prayer for help in being ready & found abiding in Him. Don't take any christian teaching at face value.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

That's addressing the Son of God at that throne of grace: not the "Spirit". Jesus Christ is the Bridegroom; best be readied by the Bridegroom, because He is the One that has the power to answers prayer so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

There is no other way to approach God the Father in prayer, fellowship, or worship & the real indwelling Holy Spirit is pointing you to keep going to the Bridegroom so that you may avoid seducing spirits that seek to lure you away in chasing after them for a sign; even a sign of tongues that comes with no interpretation, thus becoming an adulterous generation.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

The solution for any one that has gone astray is to narrow the way back to the staight gate; our first love and ask Jesus, the Son of God, for help in keeping their eyes on the Son in all things since the Bridegroom is coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....

Below is what believers get for not heeding the commandment of His invitation on how anyone continues to come to God the Father by.

Matthew 7: 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

That is why believers are falling down when addressing "the Spirit" in worship in all of these movements of the "Spirit". That was not the real indwelling Holy Spirit answering that call. Nope. It is not the Spirit's job to answer prayers, but lead us to testify of the Son ( John 15:26-27 ) even in worship thereby glorifying the Son ( John 16:13-14 ) and by doing so; glorifies God the Father as well ( Philippians 2:5-13 ) which is what Paul wanted all believers to obey, even in his absence.

Signs are not the wake up call; they do not get us ready; His words does and only He can help us to understand and discern by His words as kept by thoe that loved Him & His words in the KJV to get readied by Him and stay ready as abiding in Him & His words for when the Bridegroom comes.

To Him goes all the glory & thanksgiving; & by Him, the Father as well.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Jesus4Me

The point is to be always ready. If Jesus said that He will come like a thief in the night; at a time when no one will think He will come; one could surmise such a time when nothing happens after all of these convincing predictions, and wind up with people mocking disappointed christians, then that is when people & believers may let their guards down; and viola; Hello.

BTW: If believers think all christians will be raptured; they are wrong. Only those abiding in Him as His disciples, by His grace & by His help, will be taken since no flesh shall glory in His Prescence, the "elect" will be praising the Lord for delivering them by His righteousness & His faithfulness; which is part of the reason why Jesus was warning believers, even His disciples, to always be ready by preparing themselves to be ready by Him to meet the Bridegroom by running that race in laying aside every weight & sin as the Author & Finsher of our faith will finish His work in us since the just can only live by faith.

I agree, it is a slippery slope.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by awareness

How long do we have to wait to confirm or disconfirm Cahn's prediction?

Eternity.....

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Dave

Eternity.....

I'm pretty sure he will explain everything in his next book, which you can probably pre-order at his website!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by HERn

I'm pretty sure he will explain everything in his next book, which you can probably pre-order at his website!

Instead of buying his book, if we kept OT laws today, we'd have to stone him as a false prophet.

But we've got to give it until October 1. If nothing then, gather yer stones.

[HERn]

Originally Posted by awareness

Instead of buying his book, if we kept OT laws today, we'd have to stone him as a false prophet.

But we've got to give it until October 1. If nothing then, gather yer stones.

Oops! Now you've got me worried. Me and my sarcasm may get me into big trouble someday. But sarcasm is not as big of a sin as oh-I-don't-know...allowing married sisters to be molested by your office manager, taking retirement money from religious followers to bank-roll your son's business, slandering faithful co-workers, calling every group but your own a prostitute, suing your Christian brothers for critiquing your doctrine or practices, right?

[HERn]

Originally Posted by HERn

Oops! Now you've got me worried. Me and my sarcasm may get me into big trouble someday. But sarcasm is not as big of a sin as oh-I-don't-know...allowing married sisters to be molested by your office manager, taking retirement money from religious followers to bank-roll your son's business, slandering faithful co-workers, calling every group but your own a prostitute, suing your Christian brothers for critiquing your doctrine or practices, right?

Don't rightly know if God believes in or uses statistics, but the Christian scholar who wrote this paper doesn't have much confidence in Cahn's analysis.


"I am a lecturer in empirical research methods at a Christian university, and have written a comprehensive empirical and statistical evaluation of Cahn's hypothesis, using GDP and stock market data, in order to verify or rebut his claims." The report can be downloaded at http://bit.ly/1LNdeKE.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by HERn

Oops! Now you've got me worried. Me and my sarcasm may get me into big trouble someday. But sarcasm is not as big of a sin as oh-I-don't-know...allowing married sisters to be molested by your office manager, taking retirement money from religious followers to bank-roll your son's business, slandering faithful co-workers, calling every group but your own a prostitute, suing your Christian brothers for critiquing your doctrine or practices, right?

Bro, I don't mean to make you worry. Cahn is selling worry. But I don't get it. What's to worry about? Unless you're not abiding. Other than that there's no worry. I may be living smack dub in the middle of Sodom and Gomorrah but I didn't do it. I'm like Lot (he was far from perfect) without the angels.

So what? Shemitah is rolling 'round? Should I run from Sodom & Gamorrah? Like Lot? I don't know. Does Cahn sell survival kits? Or does he refer that to Jim Bakker?

Anyways! These boys are selling fear. But what's to fear?

Hey, I saw the super duper blood moon. Then I went to sleep and didn't wake up dead. (The world I wake up to has to be something like hell. It's hard to tell.) That's real cool tho. But waking up dead wouldn't be bad either.

No worries ....

[Dave]

Originally Posted by HERn

I'm pretty sure he will explain everything in his next book, which you can probably pre-order at his website!

Wow, Awesome, I can't wait....

[Nell]

Originally Posted by awareness

How long do we have to wait to confirm or disconfirm Cahn's prediction?

I'm with Ohio. What did Cahn predict? What are you trying to confirm...or deny?

Nell

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

I'm with Ohio. What did Cahn predict? What are you trying to confirm...or deny?

Nell

You're kidding. Right?

[Nell]

Awareness,

If you want to have a discussion based on mutual respect, I can do that. But, your mind is clearly made up, and all I can see in your post is mockery...so...have a nice day.

Nell

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

Awareness,

If you want to have a discussion based on mutual respect, I can do that. But, your mind is clearly made up, and all I can see in your post is mockery...so...have a nice day.

Nell

Just trying to point to the prediction. Which is, God is about to judge America soon.

And, by the way, something big always happens in relation to Israel when Shemitah happens with 4 blood moons on holy high days.

All I see so far is that it's well known that September 30th is a bad day for the stock market, historical records show.

And I have not been disrespectful toward you sis Nell.

However, you didn't expect me to just forget about it, did you?

I'm more obsessed with prophecy than prophecy nuts ... even tho keeping up with it for decades I've become very skeptical of it.

I'd like to see a new heaven and a new earth as much as anyone else. This world now really sucks.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by awareness

All I see so far is that it's well known that September 30th is a bad day for the stock market, historical records show.

But it looks like this one will go out with a $237 uptick, or 1.47% up for the day. And even if the year is a little down, the record of the stock market is that it consistently goes up unless you are only in it for quick profits.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by awareness

Just trying to point to the prediction. Which is, God is about to judge America soon.

And, by the way, something big always happens in relation to Israel when Shemitah happens with 4 blood moons on holy high days.

All I see so far is that it's well known that September 30th is a bad day for the stock market, historical records show.

And I have not been disrespectful toward you sis Nell.

However, you didn't expect me to just forget about it, did you?

I'm more obsessed with prophecy than prophecy nuts ... even tho keeping up with it for decades I've become very skeptical of it.

I'd like to see a new heaven and a new earth as much as anyone else. This world now really sucks.

I didn't say you were disrespectful toward me. No I didn't expect you to forget about "it". I can't even read the mockery, it's just so old and not helpful to a mutually respectful conversation.

I will point you to the events in China of the last few months, as well as the extraordinary events today involving Russia.

Nell

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Just trying to point to the prediction. Which is, God is about to judge America soon.

Perhaps you are on to something awareness.

All of a sudden we have the Russians attacking our allies in Syria; the day after the two presidents just met together for handshakes and Lattes. Surprise, surprise! Imagine that, Russia "the king from the north" now has its military in the Mideast, and we have been asked to kindly "leave." Now get out!

All of a sudden Joaquin is looking like it may be worse than Super Storm Sandy. That would make two "hundred year" events in three years. Since when do hurricanes turn west after going up the east coast?

Of course, we can't attribute "climate change" to God, now can we? Somebody please buy me a Tesla. Quick!

And for sure, all those "blood moons" on the Jewish feasts are just interesting night time viewing for astronomy students.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps you are on to something awareness.

All of a sudden we have the Russians attacking our allies in Syria; the day after the two presidents just met together for handshakes and Lattes. Surprise, surprise! Imagine that, Russia "the king from the north" now has its military in the Mideast, and we have been asked to kindly "leave." Now get out!

All of a sudden Joaquin is looking like it may be worse than Super Storm Sandy. That would make two "hundred year" events in three years. Since when do hurricanes turn west after going up the east coast?

Of course, we can't attribute "climate change" to God, now can we? Somebody please buy me a Tesla. Quick!

And for sure, all those "blood moons" on the Jewish feasts are just interesting night time viewing for astronomy students.

Well the Russians and Joaquin are just ordinary ... so far.

Climate change? That's just proof that God's anger is heating up.

The blood moons? Now that I think about it, is Cahn's, and Hagee's version of astrology. What's your zodiac sign?

But, hey! The Pope showed up right at the 4th super blood moon. And he made history, a few times.

He seems to think, based on his recent encyclical on climate change, that we just aren't hugging enough trees, and are mistreating our mother earth. He seems to be thinking in the long run. No near end of days for him.

Maybe he's not informed about Jonathan Cahn. Or maybe he is.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Ohio

All of a sudden we have the Russians attacking our allies in Syria

Which group in Syria is really our ally? Seems that just before ISIS we were backing anyone standing up to the gov't there.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Since when do hurricanes turn west after going up the east coast?

Not common, but not the first time either.

Originally Posted by Ohio

And for sure, all those "blood moons" on the Jewish feasts are just interesting night time viewing for astronomy students.

But Jewish feasts follow a lunar calendar. And eclipses occur along cycles as well. So somewhere along the way the two cycles overlapped in a manner that gave us these peculiar eclipses in sync with certain Jewish feasts.

If this was really how it was all intended to be, it was not very unknown. With today's science, it could have been predicted centuries in advance. So God set a couple of lunar clocks in motion and decided to just wait for them to overlap a couple of times, then he would start punishing whatever nation had claimed to be his modern Israel by making the continuing tide of worldwide calamities . . . well . . . . continue.

We've been in the track of hurricanes since before Columbus sailed. Getting involved in everyone else's conflicts has tended to get us into problems almost from the beginning. And blood moons have surely crossed the path of Jewish feasts in the past. Who was getting thrashed behind the barn then?