Virgin Birth questioned: the research

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I think "conspired" came to mind when you said something like, "Only Mary knew, and she kept it secret for obvious reasons." Maybe, since you say to conspire is to do something illegal, it's the wrong word.

Hey I can think up all kinds of scenarios from the scraps of info in the only sources we have right now ... of course the 4 gospels.

Here's one, just for fun:

Both Mary & Joseph kept the virgin birth a secret. And carried on and let on like Joseph did it ... and that their child was just a normal child like everyone else. They didn't let on or betray to others that their son Jesus, was God. Yet according to the record -- I'm still playing here -- by divine revelation, visitation, and intervention, they knew He was. Maybe that's why Jesus never out right says he's God. Quite the contrary "Call no man good but God."

That's really quite a good scenario I just drew up. It states clearly that Jesus was God. But it's of my own making. As are the stories coming down to us from tradition. They really are brainwashing, like bro Timotheist stated.

And that Mary inform the apostles about the virgin birth is just one of them. We have no evidence of such ... in any of the records. It can't even be found on the web. And the web is full of wild ideas and claims.

But I really enjoyed your scenario of CNN, reporters, and paparazzi following them around. Maybe then we'd have it all on youtube.

Nearly every news blurb claims anonymous sources. I suppose you don't believe any of them either. Just what do you believe?

[Timotheist]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Just what do you believe?

Awareness, I am with Ohio on this one... Been trying to peg you, and perhaps you make clear statements of what you do or do not believe elsewhere on this site, but help a brother out here. There's too much to dig thru.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Timotheist

Awareness, I am with Ohio on this one... Been trying to peg you, and perhaps you make clear statements of what you do or do not believe elsewhere on this site, but help a brother out here. There's too much to dig thru.

Oh darn you guys. This thread is not about me. I'll will say this: I "believe" -- I can't be certain -- I weren't born of a virgin. Simply cuz it's not documented anywhere on my birth certificate. And there's no mss disagreements.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Oh darn you guys. This thread is not about me. I'll will say this: I "believe" -- I can't be certain -- I weren't born of a virgin. Simply cuz it's not documented anywhere on my birth certificate. And there's no mss disagreements.

And some document would clear this up? Birth certs can be forged, just ask our prez.

[Timotheist]

hmmm, vague as usual. Send me a PM then, so I don't have to wade thru 2480 posts.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Timotheist

hmmm, vague as usual. Send me a PM then, so I don't have to wade thru 2480 posts.

Talking about vague, who is this to?

[UntoHim]

The post was to you and probably referring to awareness since he's the only one with exactly 2480 posts.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by awareness

Oh darn you guys. This thread is not about me. I'll will say this: I "believe" -- I can't be certain -- I weren't born of a virgin. Simply cuz it's not documented anywhere on my birth certificate. And there's no mss disagreements.

Wow, and all this time you have been telling me you thought you were born of a virgin. Of course, does that make you divine or have anything to do with you being divine? There are all kinds of ways of being born of a virgin.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Dave

There are all kinds of ways of being born of a virgin.

Yes, in the mythologies, yes, yes.