Witness Lee and AW Tozer

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Freedom

Lee and Kaung were both trying to implement a church model according to their understanding of what Lee taught.

Did you mean "Nee?"

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Did you mean "Nee?"

Yes I did.

[NewManLiving]

According to brother Kaung's statements, he was trying to avoid further conflict with brother Lee. Obviously there was personal disagreement and some type of "misunderstanding" between the two. Now a person may speculate as to what this misunderstanding might have been but this appears to be something personal. I seriously doubt that it had anything to do with there being two assemblies or churches in the same city. I believe that brother Kaung would have said so. After listening to brother Kaungs tapes and videos for several years I have never heard him speak concerning the doctrine of locality. Brother Kaung's burden is about presenting ourselves a living sacrifice to God; The eternal purpose of God which is centered in Christ Jesus; The heading up of all things in Christ; the manifestation of the sons of God, and especially to encourage us to be a people who love His appearing and love Him with incorruptible love.

This thread was taken on a "it would seem" ride and everyone else followed along not even being aware that there was no evidence presented for some of the unreasonable and far reaching assumptions that were presented here

[OBW]

Originally Posted by NewManLiving

According to brother Kaung's statements, he was trying to avoid further conflict with brother Lee. Obviously there was personal disagreement and some type of "misunderstanding" between the two. Now a person may speculate as to what this misunderstanding might have been but this appears to be something personal. I seriously doubt that it had anything to do with there being two assemblies or churches in the same city. I believe that brother Kaung would have said so. After listening to brother Kaungs tapes and videos for several years I have never heard him speak concerning the doctrine of locality. Brother Kaung's burden is about presenting ourselves a living sacrifice to God; The eternal purpose of God which is centered in Christ Jesus; The heading up of all things in Christ; the manifestation of the sons of God, and especially to encourage us to be a people who love His appearing and love Him with incorruptible love.

Then Neither Lee nor Kaung were strict followers of Nee. (Not saying that being more true to Nee is a good thing.)Nee was clearly of the mind that their assembly was unique within a city. He made a really big deal about one church per city. Lee added a ritual of taking the ground, while Kaung seems to have at least softened on the position. Maybe even to the extent that he saw the reality of the church in the many assemblies in a city.

But being a follower of Nee is still problematic, just not in as extreme a way as being a follower of Lee. I'll leave it at that for now.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by OBW

Then Neither Lee nor Kaung were strict followers of Nee. (Not saying that being more true to Nee is a good thing.)Nee was clearly of the mind that their assembly was unique within a city. He made a really big deal about one church per city. Lee added a ritual of taking the ground, while Kaung seems to have at least softened on the position. Maybe even to the extent that he saw the reality of the church in the many assemblies in a city.

But being a follower of Nee is still problematic, just not in as extreme a way as being a follower of Lee. I'll leave it at that for now.

1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of [Nee]; and another, I am of [Lee]; are ye not carnal?

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by awareness

1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of [Nee]; and another, I am of [Lee]; are ye not carnal?

Kaung is obviously a follower of Nee. Is that a problem? Not necessarily. I would say the same goes for Lee, following Nee was not necessarily a problem in and of itself. It became a problem for Lee, however, because he elevated Nee to a whole new level. Lee called Nee a “Seer of the Divine Revelation in the Present Age”. I also suspect that Lee elevated Nee in order to gain legitimacy for his own ministry. Nee was thus established as the initial MOTA who was to be succeeded by none other than Lee.

I’m not aware of any attempt that Kaung has made to elevate Nee to that same level. Kaung’s publishing house is the main publisher of Nee books besides LSM, so it can be said that Kaung holds Nee in high esteem. Perhaps what he is most guilty of is following Nee too closely. I’m sure Nee’s ministry has been helpful to many, but there are also a number of issues in his ministry worthy of critique.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Freedom

Kaung is obviously a follower of Nee. Is that a problem? Not necessarily.

It depends on what is meant by "follower." If you like some of the teachings of a particular teacher then that makes you a follower of him or her in a way. If that's all that is meant by it then that's fine--and that is the way most people in America at least would mean it.

But in Nee/Lee legacy land, being a "follower" means that the teacher is your major, if not only, influence. This is problematic because in this day and age there are so many good teachers and so much information available at our fingertips that majoring in any one teacher is really relic of the day when information was not so available.

These days, majoring in one ministry is a sure sign of intellectual laziness. It's a kind of wishful thinking, wanting to believe that one person has somehow cornered the market on God's revelation, which implies we no longer have to work, because Super Brother has figured most of it out for us. There might have been a day when finding alternatives to Super Brother was so difficult that resting in the assurance that he had most of it figured out was a reasonable comfort. But that day has passed.

I "follow" many teachers. I could name them but it doesn't matter who they are. Rest assured there are a lot of them. If Kaung is still, after all these years, majoring in what he learned from Nee then I'm disappointed in him. It shows he hasn't been growing much after all.