Became or Not Became - Interpreting 1Cor 15:45

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by zeek

Seems to me we are in effect spiritual bodies now. The spirit is said to leave the body at death. So, until then spirit and body seem somehow joined. The significant difference between the body now and post-resurrection seems to be that the resurrected body is immortal. Consistent with Swinburne's definition of spirit as a person without a body, there is Kierkegaard's thesis in "Sickness Unto Death"

There you go again, my friend zeek, using extra-biblical sources to try and confirm or else deny facts that are clearly explained in the biblical text itself.

And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 1 Cor 15:37

What was "sown"? The text is extremely clear: the physical body of the first Adam. What was "raised"? Well that is what this part of 1 Cor 15 and this thread are all about! But we can't get to the what was raised part without acknowledging the what was sown part. Of course we can simply jump ahead and argue about the "became a life giving spirit", but what fun is that if we can't even agree on what is meant by "the first Adam became a living soul"?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

There you go again, my friend zeek, using extra-biblical sources to try and confirm or else deny facts that are clearly explained in the biblical text itself.

And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 1 Cor 15:37

What was "sown"? The text is extremely clear: the physical body of the first Adam. What was "raised"? Well that is what this part of 1 Cor 15 and this thread are all about! But we can't get to the what was raised part without acknowledging the what was sown part. Of course we can simply jump ahead and argue about the "became a life giving spirit", but what fun is that if we can't even agree on what is meant by "the first Adam became a living soul"?

Clearly I jumped the gun. But, I'm not so sure about your "clearly explained" claim. I can't seem to grasp what a spiritual body is. It seems like the kind of thing you can read about, but to really appreciate it you've got to be there to see it.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

if we can't even agree on what is meant by "the first Adam became a living soul"?

That would be "The first MAN Adam." Note that Paul doesn't say the last MAN Adam. He just says , the last Adam.

So Gaffin might be on to something to point out the last Adam is the Holy Spirit, otherwise he would have also stated the last man Adam.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

That would be "The first MAN Adam." Note that Paul doesn't say the last MAN Adam. He just says , the last Adam.

So Gaffin might be on to something to point out the last Adam is the Holy Spirit, otherwise he would have also stated the last man Adam.

If the spirit in 15:45 is the Holy Spirit and
the last Adam is a man i.e. a human being
Then, the Holy Spirit is a human being.

We have come full circle again.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

If the spirit in 15:45 is the Holy Spirit and
the last Adam is a man i.e. a human being
Then, the Holy Spirit is a human being.

We have come full circle again.

And the only man it could be is Jesus. So Jesus is the Holy Spirit (Lee was right), that becomes life-giving at the resurrection.

And we've discussed spirit, the last Adam, and life-giving, but we haven't even mentioned "became" or "was made." Sounds like a process; a changing progressive development in process.

Who knew a little verse could be so confounding?