Outer darkness: A thousand years? or for eternity?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Elden1971

https://archive.org/details/TheTheoc...mPetersVols1-3

For those of you who want an in depth study of the Kingdom this is a must read.

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"The Theocratic Kingdom of Our Lord Jesus, the Christ," by George Peters. Contains all 3 volumes published in 1884. The 63.3 MB pdf file contains bookmarks to where Peters critiqued Charles Taze Russell and N.H. Barbour regarding their belief that Christ returned invisibly to the earth in 1874. Barbour and Russell were associated together in the 1870s and from them arose the Bible Student movement and later Jehovah's Witnesses. After severing ties with Barbour, C.T. Russell began publication of The Watch Tower magazine in 1879. This file contains numerous references to Russell's and Barbour's writings. Volume 3 of the Theocratic Kingdom was dedicated to W.H. Conley, who was first president of the Watch Tower Society from 1881 to 1884 (see Jehovah's Witnesses: Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, p. 576), but who later left fellowship with Russell.

I suppose that I'm not liking the connections to the Jehovah Witnesses.

JayDubs are wrong!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

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I suppose that I'm not liking the connections to the Jehovah Witnesses.

JayDubs are wrong!

I understand your disbelief in Russell and the JWs. They and the 7th Day Advents came out of the William Miller movement, that are responsible for the Great Disappointment <-click. And instead of them declaring William Miller a false prophet, they picked up where Miller left off. And their prophecies have fail over and over again ... but say they came true "spiritually." Like we can believe that.

[Elden1971]

Originally Posted by Ohio

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I suppose that I'm not liking the connections to the Jehovah Witnesses.

JayDubs are wrong!

This is no way negates the scholarship of the work. Peters devoted his life to this study and as a Lutheran his work was rejected by the Lutherans so he had no financial or emotional support. His bibliography of over 2,000 references is rather comprehensive and his devotion to the word of God is remarkable. His life was spent in obscurity and poverty but he stayed the course and completed the most exhaustive , thoroughly annotated and logically arranged study of biblical prophecy written in the US in the 19th century.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Elden1971

This is no way negates the scholarship of the work. Peters devoted his life to this study and as a Lutheran his work was rejected by the Lutherans so he had no financial or emotional support. His bibliography of over 2,000 references is rather comprehensive and his devotion to the word of God is remarkable. His life was spent in obscurity and poverty but he stayed the course and completed the most exhaustive , thoroughly annotated and logically arranged study of biblical prophecy written in the US in the 19th century.

Elden1971, you can overlook all of Peters' failures because you happen to like what he teaches, and yet you have nothing good to say about numerous other teachers (Panton, Pember, Govett, the Exclusives, Nee, etc.) whose teachings you happen to disagree with.

[Elden1971]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Elden1971, you can overlook all of Peters' failures because you happen to like what he teaches, and yet you have nothing good to say about numerous other teachers (Panton, Pember, Govett, the Exclusives, Nee, etc.) whose teachings you happen to disagree with.

Nee and Lee got the majority of their teachings from the "exclusives" and except for the ground of locality and a few minor points I largely agree with the exclusives. Unfortunately Nee and Lee followed the teaching of Govett in relation to the partial rapture, overcomers and punishment of believers which led to the spiritual elitism and laodicean spirit of todays blended brothers. Lee proclaimed himself to be the MOTA years after I left so other than Satan I do not know who he got that idea from as he certainly was not the MOTA when I knew him for seven years nor did he claim to be. I never heard anyone other than the Texas brothers ascribe apostleship to him so one can see why he promoted them and why they now believe "we have the authority". Anyway I strayed from my point that being that Govett, Panton, Pember , Lang are all Brothers in the Lord who have much positive that may be said of them and their ministries, but where they are wrong....they are wrong and the fruit of their errors are clearly manifested within many groups of Christians not just the LRC. Only the Lord's coming will resolve all the confusion and division until then my wife and I rest in the Lord and thank, praise and worship Him for His Love and Mercy and Grace. We can and do testify that in His Presence is FULNESS of JOY! May God Bless you Bro. Ohio and all who read these posts.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Elden1971

Nee and Lee got the majority of their teachings from the "exclusives" and except for the ground of locality and a few minor points I largely agree with the exclusives.

It's doubtful that Nee came up with the ground of locality on his own.

If you ever read about the heart-breaking, shameful excommunication of old Dr. Cronin while Darby was on his deathbed, and you will understand the operation of "one city, one table, one assembly" under the administration of the zealous Exclusives. Then Darby, the great defender of the faith, sheepishly agreed with the expulsion of Cronin, with a "must be God's will" sort of statement. Cronin, by the way, was meeting with the Brethren before Darby came even along.

This Darby death-bed division showed how the operation of "one city, one table, one assembly" took on a life of its own that not even Darby could control. After Dr. Cronin, the next one to be taken to the gallows was Wm. Kelly himself. The exclusive leader to emerge from the ashes of war was JB Stoney himself, and with Kelly effectively expelled, his leadership was secure.

It became more than evident, with an aging Darby no longer able to maintain command over his followers, that the London band of early-Blendeds were able to use many of Darby's own extra-biblical teachings to eliminate one-by-one any potential rival, whether it be the kindest, most-loving elderly Doctor Cronin or the brilliant William Kelly, Darby's greatest follower. Thus Darby died knowing that his closest ally Kelly was now his enemy due to the same exclusive principles established in full when Darby expelled Newton, Muller, and the rest of the "Open" brothers.

This is how exclusive systems were able to use the teaching of "one city, one table, one assembly." And that is why I have often said that distorted oneness is perhaps the most pernicious of Christian vices.