The LCS Factor

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Thankful Jane

...It was a slow slope downward, but as we more and more surrendered not only our right but our responsibility to be directly under the leading of the Holy Spirit, the enemy had a way to infiltrate. He didn’t have to control each of us directly. All he had to do was convince us to come under the control of others, who came under the control of others, who came under control of the one at the top .... Then with relative ease he could secure our obedience and lead us where he wished. Over time, he could cause leaders to abuse God’s people and feel justified in so doing because they believed they were following God. The abused submitted to abuse because they believed it was God correcting them.

I think there is plenty of evidence to substantiate this picture.

The truth is that there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. That is part of our inheritance, that is, unless we give it up by falling into the mystery of iniquity and begin to allow someone else’s voice to come between us and Him.

Thankful Jane

Remember please that although some of my statements may sound like I’m making pronouncements, I expect this to be treated like a hypothesis.

#466

To see whether or not we have “come out of her,” we can ask ourselves two questions:

1) as a believer do I act in the place of God over another human being; do I believe I am supposed to direct them and tell them what to do?

2) as a believer do I look to God for direction or do I look to others who direct me and tell me what to do, submitting to what they tell me, even if it violates scripture and conscience?

If I can answer both of these questions, “no” then the call to “come out of her” my people does not apply to me.

Igzy: Which "topic" are you talking about precisely? I'm not being coy, but this thread has been all over the place and I'd like to know specifically what you are talking about.

Nell: Idolatry as practiced by the leaders, resulting in the spiritual abuse of the flock.

Originally Posted by Igzy

...I have no problem with such a discussion. I would just suggest the case be made with evidence supporting accusations. Make the case. Like I said, the challenge is to turn ideas into words that convince, of course with the Holy Spirit's help.

Igzy,

I think this is an excellent case/hypothesis made by TJ. What do you think?

Nell