Testimony of Terry

Bill W · 08-23-2008, 02:41 PM

Joe 2:25 - "So I will restore to you the years that the swarming locust has eaten, The crawling locust, The consuming locust, And the chewing locust, My great army which I sent among you.

Thanks Brother for your testimony.Many people don't realize the years that were involved in some of our lives under such fear.Maybe it won't be until we are at the judgement seat of Christ that He will vindicate us because of those years of neglect and abuse at the hands of these zealous ones.The hardness and stiffneckedness of religiousman still exist today as it did in the days of our Lord.Jesus said in Mt 13:15 -"For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'" How many of those leaders in the Living Stream centered local churches are in such a case!May the Lord have pity and mercy on them for what they have done to the least of these His Children!

TLFisher · 09-02-2008, 12:20 PM

My experience with local church localities is something can be learned from so-called denominations.
One denomination my children had been cared for throughout the summer have deacons who are assigned to care for a number of families. The care is carried out through contacting.
Does that happen in local churches?
Has not been my experience.
Can it become a way to shepherd families?
Certainly
In the local churches had there been deacons and/or elders that contact households periodically, would so many have slipped through the cracks?

I don't have the answer, but my observation has been an emphasis on the work and less on the individual. Which is why when a brother or sister stops coming to meetings, how long does that go on until it is noticed a brother or sister hasn't been at the meetings for a while?
Something the local churches can learn from the denominations is the matter of contacting families within their own locality.

Terry

Guest1 · 09-04-2008, 09:44 PM

I don't have the answer, but my observation has been an emphasis on the work and less on the individual. Which is why when a brother or sister stops coming to meetings, how long does that go on until it is noticed a brother or sister hasn't been at the meetings for a while?
Something the local churches can learn from the denominations is the matter of contacting families within their own locality.

Terry.. it is good advice for christians.. why would you want the lc to do this.. are you saying you want people to remain captive in that horrible cult

TLFisher · 07-26-2009, 07:47 PM

Having watched the YouTube of Witness Lee's speaking from the 1997 Chinese NY Conference, I came away feeling cheated. This should have been an opportunity for the recovery to have a genuine repentance based on WL release. There was critical content omitted from the book based on the speaking. As I considered WL's repentance as I watched on the YouTube video, I thought to myself it would have made a difference.

TLFisher · 10-31-2009, 01:51 PM

Today I was listening more than watching Ron Kangas' speaking following a message Witness Lee gave in 1996.

"That the brethren really were Philadelphia for maybe two or three decades. Then they became intensely focused on teachings and comparing themselves with the denominations. They became quite proud with what they had. Eventually the brethren became Laodecia. With so many teachings, but no reality. I don’t want to go beyond my measure in this fellowship, but I think I can say and you would feel comfortable with my saying that we know what the taste of Laodecia is like. The lukewarmness. We can’t pride ourselves that we’re still here and we see so much and Christianity doesn’t see anything. The Lord is looking for a reality in the church. Just today and this is related to the point on Laodecia. I was intensely working on an article for Affirmation and Critique, on the subjective God. On the triune God wrought into our being. I was reminded of something brother Lee said in 1984, that the governing principle of the whole Bible is the triune God working Himself into the tripartite man. The reason I mention this is when the Lord is rebuking, but also cherishing Laodecia. He counsels them in three ways;
He said buy of me gold. Refined by the fire. This is the nature of God obtained as a reality. Then He said, buy of Me white garments. That you mat be clothed and not be naked. This is Christ livingly and vitally lived out in the church. And He said buy of Me eye salve and anoint your eyes with eye salve that you may see. This is the Spirit as the anointing. To heal our blindness. The Lord is ministering Himself as a subjective reality to a church that’s addicted with teachings. And I again I say I don’t want to go beyond my measure, but a cry in my being for many years and my personal pursuing of the Lord has been for reality. For the inward subjective organic reality of the triune God. And according to the Lord’s word in Laodecia this does not come without a price. What the price is, only the Lord can tell us. I agree with Howard. I feel like tonight I came down from the high peak to sea level with a thud. But I believe we can breakthrough. And we will breakthrough. But there’s a price involved. I feel we need to go to the Lord and repent. And open to the Lord, and ask the Lord to whatever He needs to do in our being subjectively to bring us into the reality of His present ministry."

Ron's speaking reminded me of my repentance during this same time period (95-96). Repenting for my attitude towards friends in Christianity. Thinking I was "plugged in" and they were not. I repented for being prideful, assuming I had access to the riches and they did not. Really as Ron described, I had the pride of a laodicean for which I had long since repented of.

Terry

YP0534 · 10-31-2009, 04:58 PM

This is why He said:
"for by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned" Mat 12:37

OBW · 11-03-2009, 11:21 AM

"For the inward subjective organic reality of the triune God."

I have some understanding of why the LC and Lee's teachings remain so strong in some. As long as it sounds so poetic and complex, it just has to be important and/or right.

They so often add so many modifiers to everything that it is somewhat unclear what they are really saying. Once you go through their circle of logic filled with so many over-modified descriptions designed to stir the emotions, its hard to decipher whether there could be anything in error buried in there.

My response to these convoluted statements now is to laugh like I do when I watch Blazing Saddles and Hedley Lamarr says "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives" and Taggert (Slim Pickens) responds "Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore." I would not equate the people responsible for the LC drivel to prostitutes, but the things they say are no more valuable — maybe less so since Jesus said that prostitutes would enter the kingdom before many of the religious ones.

NeitherFirstnorLast · 02-15-2011, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry

Having watched the YouTube of Witness Lee's speaking from the 1997 Chinese NY Conference, I came away feeling cheated. This should have been an opportunity for the recovery to have a genuine repentance based on WL release. There was critical content omitted from the book based on the speaking. As I considered WL's repentance as I watched on the YouTube video, I thought to myself it would have made a difference.

Terry - do you have a link to this video? A YouTube search doesn't seen to yield any results....

UntoHim · 02-16-2011, 07:20 AM

I had heard that LSM had the video taken down due to copyright issues?

I found it here this morning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4EVrsgd-to

I'm not sure where you can find an accurate translation into English - at some point it was floating around somewhere.

If the English translation that I read is accurate, then this "repentance" was neither clear nor specific. He says he is "we did not treat some brother right" (paraphrase) but he does not say who "some brothers" are - are they the brothers and sisters who were forced out of the LC or is he referring to outside Christians? Anyway, if he really meant either he would have done this in English here in America where most of the damage was done in his last 30 years or so. It's all a day late and dollar short far as I'm concerned.

TLFisher · 02-16-2011, 06:28 PM

Try this link though I didn't care much for the tone in the subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swcs5pbzoDI

TLFisher · 02-16-2011, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UntoHim

If the English translation that I read is accurate, then this "repentance" was neither clear nor specific. He says he is "we did not treat some brother right" (paraphrase) but he does not say who "some brothers" are - are they the brothers and sisters who were forced out of the LC or is he referring to outside Christians? Anyway, if he really meant either he would have done this in English here in America where most of the damage was done in his last 30 years or so. It's all a day late and dollar short far as I'm concerned.

I've checked with a Chinese-speaking brother from Taiwan. He was at the conference and vaildated English translation contained in the video.
Who brother Lee was referring to is unclear, but his message isn't only about him, but also us and our heart. Saints in denominations and non-denomational Christianity are part of the body of Christ too. What I took from the video is where is our receiving? Is it narrow according to our concepts and preferences or is our receiving according to God's receiving? Whom God receives, we also must receive.

08-23-2008, 02:41 PM	#1
Bill W Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Moreno Valley,California Posts: 8	Thanks Terry Joe 2:25 - "So I will restore to you the years that the swarming locust has eaten, The crawling locust, The consuming locust, And the chewing locust, My great army which I sent among you. Thanks Brother for your testimony.Many people don't realize the years that were involved in some of our lives under such fear.Maybe it won't be until we are at the judgement seat of Christ that He will vindicate us because of those years of neglect and abuse at the hands of these zealous ones.The hardness and stiffneckedness of religiousman still exist today as it did in the days of our Lord.Jesus said in Mt 13:15 -"For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'" How many of those leaders in the Living Stream centered local churches are in such a case!May the Lord have pity and mercy on them for what they have done to the least of these His Children!

09-02-2008, 12:20 PM	#2
TLFisher Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 3,558	Something Can Be Learned........ My experience with local church localities is something can be learned from so-called denominations. One denomination my children had been cared for throughout the summer have deacons who are assigned to care for a number of families. The care is carried out through contacting. Does that happen in local churches? Has not been my experience. Can it become a way to shepherd families? Certainly In the local churches had there been deacons and/or elders that contact households periodically, would so many have slipped through the cracks? I don't have the answer, but my observation has been an emphasis on the work and less on the individual. Which is why when a brother or sister stops coming to meetings, how long does that go on until it is noticed a brother or sister hasn't been at the meetings for a while? Something the local churches can learn from the denominations is the matter of contacting families within their own locality. Terry

09-04-2008, 09:44 PM	#3
Guest1 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 43	I don't have the answer, but my observation has been an emphasis on the work and less on the individual. Which is why when a brother or sister stops coming to meetings, how long does that go on until it is noticed a brother or sister hasn't been at the meetings for a while? Something the local churches can learn from the denominations is the matter of contacting families within their own locality. Terry.. it is good advice for christians.. why would you want the lc to do this.. are you saying you want people to remain captive in that horrible cult __________________ Colossians 1:14 In Whom We have Redemption through His Blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

07-26-2009, 07:47 PM	#4
TLFisher Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 3,558	Re: Testimony of Terry Having watched the YouTube of Witness Lee's speaking from the 1997 Chinese NY Conference, I came away feeling cheated. This should have been an opportunity for the recovery to have a genuine repentance based on WL release. There was critical content omitted from the book based on the speaking. As I considered WL's repentance as I watched on the YouTube video, I thought to myself it would have made a difference.

10-31-2009, 01:51 PM	#5
TLFisher Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 3,558	Re: Testimony of Terry Today I was listening more than watching Ron Kangas' speaking following a message Witness Lee gave in 1996. "That the brethren really were Philadelphia for maybe two or three decades. Then they became intensely focused on teachings and comparing themselves with the denominations. They became quite proud with what they had. Eventually the brethren became Laodecia. With so many teachings, but no reality. I don’t want to go beyond my measure in this fellowship, but I think I can say and you would feel comfortable with my saying that we know what the taste of Laodecia is like. The lukewarmness. We can’t pride ourselves that we’re still here and we see so much and Christianity doesn’t see anything. The Lord is looking for a reality in the church. Just today and this is related to the point on Laodecia. I was intensely working on an article for Affirmation and Critique, on the subjective God. On the triune God wrought into our being. I was reminded of something brother Lee said in 1984, that the governing principle of the whole Bible is the triune God working Himself into the tripartite man. The reason I mention this is when the Lord is rebuking, but also cherishing Laodecia. He counsels them in three ways; He said buy of me gold. Refined by the fire. This is the nature of God obtained as a reality. Then He said, buy of Me white garments. That you mat be clothed and not be naked. This is Christ livingly and vitally lived out in the church. And He said buy of Me eye salve and anoint your eyes with eye salve that you may see. This is the Spirit as the anointing. To heal our blindness. The Lord is ministering Himself as a subjective reality to a church that’s addicted with teachings. And I again I say I don’t want to go beyond my measure, but a cry in my being for many years and my personal pursuing of the Lord has been for reality. For the inward subjective organic reality of the triune God. And according to the Lord’s word in Laodecia this does not come without a price. What the price is, only the Lord can tell us. I agree with Howard. I feel like tonight I came down from the high peak to sea level with a thud. But I believe we can breakthrough. And we will breakthrough. But there’s a price involved. I feel we need to go to the Lord and repent. And open to the Lord, and ask the Lord to whatever He needs to do in our being subjectively to bring us into the reality of His present ministry." Ron's speaking reminded me of my repentance during this same time period (95-96). Repenting for my attitude towards friends in Christianity. Thinking I was "plugged in" and they were not. I repented for being prideful, assuming I had access to the riches and they did not. Really as Ron described, I had the pride of a laodicean for which I had long since repented of. Terry

10-31-2009, 04:58 PM	#6
YP0534 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 688	Re: Testimony of Ron Kangas This is why He said: "for by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned" Mat 12:37 __________________ Let each walk as the Lord has distributed to each, as God has called each, and in this manner I instruct all the assemblies. 1 Cor. 7:17

11-03-2009, 11:21 AM	#7
OBW Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: DFW area Posts: 4,384	Re: Testimony of Terry "For the inward subjective organic reality of the triune God." I have some understanding of why the LC and Lee's teachings remain so strong in some. As long as it sounds so poetic and complex, it just has to be important and/or right. They so often add so many modifiers to everything that it is somewhat unclear what they are really saying. Once you go through their circle of logic filled with so many over-modified descriptions designed to stir the emotions, its hard to decipher whether there could be anything in error buried in there. My response to these convoluted statements now is to laugh like I do when I watch Blazing Saddles and Hedley Lamarr says "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives" and Taggert (Slim Pickens) responds "Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore." I would not equate the people responsible for the LC drivel to prostitutes, but the things they say are no more valuable — maybe less so since Jesus said that prostitutes would enter the kingdom before many of the religious ones. __________________ Mike I think . . . . I think I am . . . . therefore I am, I think — Edge OR . . . . You may be right, I may be crazy — Joel

02-16-2011, 07:20 AM	#9
UntoHim Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον For God So Loved The World Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,826	Re: Testimony of Terry I had heard that LSM had the video taken down due to copyright issues? I found it here this morning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4EVrsgd-to I'm not sure where you can find an accurate translation into English - at some point it was floating around somewhere. If the English translation that I read is accurate, then this "repentance" was neither clear nor specific. He says he is "we did not treat some brother right" (paraphrase) but he does not say who "some brothers" are - are they the brothers and sisters who were forced out of the LC or is he referring to outside Christians? Anyway, if he really meant either he would have done this in English here in America where most of the damage was done in his last 30 years or so. It's all a day late and dollar short far as I'm concerned. __________________ αὐτῷ ἡ δόξα καὶ τὸ κράτος εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων ἀμήν - 1 Peter 5:11

02-16-2011, 06:28 PM	#10
TLFisher Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 3,558	Re: Testimony of Terry Try this link though I didn't care much for the tone in the subtitles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swcs5pbzoDI