A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us

[aron]

Originally Posted by Indiana

I'm not certain what Tom said about Obama's re-election; however, I suspect his sentiments resemble mine---that short of divine, miraculous intervention, Obama's reelection spells the end of America as we have known it.

And what, pray tell, would the election of a Mormon President spell? A return to traditional Christian values?

[aron]

It is an interesting process to evaluate the moral character, or turpitude, of the founding fathers, or the original Pilgrims, either individually or en masse. Certainly one could make a case for either extreme, or somewhere in between.

Let me turn the question: what would some reader think, if this forum's record were preserved, upon reading these posts 500 years hence? Would they be impressed with the "godly character" evinced by the writers here? How much "bearing one another with love" do we display, versus "scoring debating points"? How much "thinking one another more excellent than oneself" versus "I am right and you are not"?

For that matter, what do people think, today? Obviously we don't know because readers read and writers write. We only know what the forum writers think. But if we measure Alexander Hamilton's moral failings, or Cotton Mather's religious dogmatism, perhaps by the same measuring stick we look like a nest of rattlesnakes who only take time off from hurling virtual rocks at Lee and the Blendeds to throw them at one another.

And I speak for myself here. I may be the most self-righteous, closed-minded, self-important, judgmental person of all. When Jesus said to take the last seat at the banquet table, He really exposed my own character. Every time I open my mouth, or write, just where am I trying to place myself, at the banquet table? I would really feel ashamed if I made a big deal about someone else's failures, only to eventually find them sitting higher up than I.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by aron

And what, pray tell, would the election of a Mormon President spell? A return to traditional Christian values?

My comment will be totally irrevelent (or not?) to the thread but I can't resist addressing this question.

Joseph Smith predicted the U.S. Constitution would one day "hang like a thread" and would be saved by the efforts of the white horse.

To many, Mitt Romney fit the bill. The LDS would have had a hey day had Romney been elected!! But it is contrary to the prophesy of the Word telling us (in a nutshell) the false prophet will head the one one world religion.

[ IMHO, I am persuaded the false prophet will rise from the RCC, the last pope, "Petreus Romano" (Peter the Roman --MAYBE????--) uniting the world religions: Islam, Hinduism, Buddhists, New Agers, secular Christians ranging from Catholocism to Protestantism.]

On the basis of the Mormon "white horse prophesy", some have speculated Mormons expect the U.S. To eventually become a theocracy dominated by the LDS church.

I love that the thread of Gold on the topic at hand is:
God is speaking to us! Repent!! He may have used Jonathan Cahn's book -the Harbinger- which means "warning" through Jane but nonetheless, our Lord IS speaking to us because Time is short!!

Many here have been reflecting on Christ's message: repent and Love (God and your neighbor).

Just food for thought. :-)
Blessings everyone,

Carol Garza

[OBW]

Interesting assortment of thoughts.

Of course, Joseph Smith's predictions are meaningless.

As for the LDS having a heyday if Romney were elected, I'm not so sure that the religious persuasions of presidents have ever had the effects that people have expected. Many were sure we would be answering to Rome when Kennedy was elected. Many would like to declare Obama to be a Muslim rather than a Christian (social or otherwise), but it really hasn't seemed to cause us to simply pull-out of the wars with those pesky Islamic radicals. If anyone points to the recent announcements, don't forget that he has supported the existing war for 4 years now and this won't be the first time that a withdrawal has been declared. It could once again be followed by some kind of surge.

While the end-times false prophet may arise from the RCC, it won't likely be because the RCC has become so soft on other religions. They may be willing to be nice to other people without regard to their religion, but they really are pretty strong in their Christo-centric positions, no matter how many grievous errors we think they have.

I must agree with the call to repent. But I fear that relying on such a misguided book as Cahn's for the inspiration is an invitation to repent in a misguided way. To repent for some irrelevancies and remain committed to some things that we should repent for.

That still means we need to repent.

And time is always short. Even if the end-times are another 2,000 years away, our time is short. We never know if we will see tomorrow's sunrise, or even our own pillow for tonight's sleep. We may be sleeping with the worms before then. It may be that having the thought that there are clear markers for the end-times as being imminent will help some keep the course. For others, the realization that tomorrow may go on without them is quite enough. Either way, in the grand scheme of things no one reading this forum has more than roughly 70 to 80 years. Most quite a lot less. Some possibly only today.

And maybe none of us have more than 2 or 3 years.

Or even a day.

The reason that I look at it this way is that I should live both as someone expecting to grow old and as someone expecting to meet my maker now. Neither is sufficient alone. Those who only expect to grow old will ignore the present. Those who too strongly expect the eminent end too often abandon sober living in the present in favor of pining for "glory."

And unlike a sort of slogan that I have been hearing lately, I do not believe that we were made for heaven, or "glory" or whatever. I believe we were made for righteous living, bearing the image of God in all that we do. To look away to heaven/glory/the NewJ too much is to abandon your purpose for being created and seek something else. Any other view seems to suggest that God goofed and had to redefine our purpose. "Those pesky humans. They wouldn't bear my image properly on earth, so I will simply invite them to abandon earth and live here." I know that is not exactly what is being said by some. But how do we suppose to be sanctified in this life if we don't actually find our way back to the God-directed righteousness and image bearing that we were created for. I believe that anything else is to try to end-run around God's purpose for us.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by OBW

Interesting assortment of thoughts.

Of course, Joseph Smith's predictions are meaningless.

As for the LDS having a heyday if Romney were elected, I'm not so sure that the religious persuasions of presidents have ever had the effects that people have expected.

That was mostly tongue in cheek. It could be some Mormons might have thought the white horse prophesy was coming to pass, most probably wouldn't otherwise people like Harry Reid and Romney both Mormons would be on the same page. I did not even know they believed in the return of Jesus until last summer.

While the end-times false prophet may arise from the RCC, it won't likely be because the RCC has become so soft

I think that is exactly why the RCC pope is a viable candidate. Islam and Catholocism have a closer relationship than many people realize. Before Pope John Paul II died, he was photographed kissing the Qu'ron. Mohammed named his daughter Fatima and Mohammed said of his daughter "she has the highest place in heaven after the Virgin Mary." In the Koran the -Blessed Virgin Mary- is mentioned at least 30 times.

And I am not even bringing up the Jesuit branch of the RCC. If anyone is interested, read Father Malachi Martin's works. He worked very closely with several popes in the Vatican. He mysteriously died in 1999.

I must agree with the call to repent. But I fear that relying on such a misguided book as Cahn's for the inspiration is an invitation to repent in a misguided way. To repent for some irrelevancies and remain committed to some things that we should repent for.

That is where I too had some trouble understanding Cahn's line of thinking on repentance. I pray alot for the Holy Spirit to convict me/the church/the world of our sins that we may repent and be a shining Light in this dark world. Sometimes I catch myself calling someone (usually a reckless driver) a stupid idiot. No sooner I say this, I repent and ask the Lord to forgive me for calling them that. They may have acted stupid and idiotic, but no person is stupid or an idiot in God's eyes. Btw, I remember years ago 15-20 years ago, I got cocky with some Mormon missionaries. That evening the Holy Spirit convicted me for the way I spoke to them. A couple of days later, I ran into them and apologized to them. Since then on several occasions that I have conversed with Missionary Mormons, I have prayed with them. I enjoy talking to them. They need the Love of Jesus as does everyone else. I have done my homework. I know what scriptures they use even though they mostly talk about Joseph Smith. (It is a tad worst than hearing an LCr go on & on about brother Lee) Just remember the bible they use is KJ. If you use a different translation they will argue about the unauthorized version. Just a heads up.:-)

I look at it this way is that I should live both as someone expecting to grow old and as someone expecting to meet my maker now.

And that is how we all should live.

Neither is sufficient alone. Those who only expect to grow old will ignore the present. Those who too strongly expect the eminent end too often abandon sober living in the present in favor of pining for "glory."

True. I have been around people who don't want the Lord Jesus to return just yet because they want their bling-blings. Others "just want to get out of here". They are miserable and "want to go home". Others still believe they must "help" God fix this world.

I strive through prayer to walk the talk. I want to be an excellent representative and ambassador of Christ without compromising and without being "holier than thou".

And unlike a sort of slogan that I have been hearing lately, I do not believe that we were made for heaven, or "glory" or whatever. I believe we were made for righteous living, bearing the image of God in all that we do. To look away to heaven/glory/the NewJ too much is to abandon your purpose... I know that is not exactly what is being said by some. But how do we suppose to be sanctified in this life if we don't actually find our way back to the God-directed righteousness and image bearing that we were created for. I believe that anything else is to try to end-run around God's purpose for us.

And that is why we pray, read, study, fellowship, Love, Laugh, sometimes weep, Rejoice, encourage, shine and walk the talk.

Shalom and El-Shaddai's good will towards all men.

Carol Garza