12-24-2012, 01:30 PM
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Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον For God So Loved The World
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Re: Do Most Unbelievers Go to Hell for Eternity?
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Originally Posted by VoiceInWilderness
The 2 verses about Judas, Mat 26:24 & Mk 14:21, say that Judas' punishment is so incredibly terrible that it would have been better for him if he had never been born! Judas, I think, was one of the worst sinners ever. Most Evangelicals say that every unbeliever will suffer eternal torment in hell. If an unbeliever will suffer torment forever and ever, then would it not have been much better for every unbeliever if he had never been born? Unbelievers are the majority of the human race. So that's why I say that Evangelicals say the the majority of the human race would have been better off not to be born. This at odds with Mat 26:24 & Mk 14:21 because Judas' punishment is clearly exceptional.
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Steve,
You have not shown a connection between "Judas' punishment" and your overall contentions/propositions here in this thread. First of all you haven't shown (nor can you show) that this statement "it would have been better for him if he had never been born" is referring to Hell or eternal punishment. The context of this statement places it more in the immediate timeframe of Judas' betrayal of Jesus Christ. "but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed!" The result of Judas' betrayal (Jesus being handed over for execution) caused Judas to take steps to "undue" what he had done (cf: he tried to return the 30 pieces of silver), and he eventually committed suicide. Maybe Judas did commit the worst sin ever, but it does not necessarily follow that "he was one of the worst sinners ever", and even if he was, there is no indication in scripture that there are degrees of sinners. We are sinners or we are not sinners.
I have more questions for you but I will pause here and give you a chance to clarify. Please take your time and try to connect with scriptures that make your case. If you cannot find any then maybe that tells you something about your contention/proposition.
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αὐτῷ ἡ δόξα καὶ τὸ κράτος εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων ἀμήν - 1 Peter 5:11
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