Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Igzy

And Paul seems to equate paradise and heaven here in 2 Corinthians 12.

I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago, (whether in the body I know not, or out of the body I know not, God knows) such a one caught up to the third heaven (ouranos). And I know such a man, (whether in the body or out of the body I know not, God knows) that he was caught up into paradise (paradeisos), and heard unspeakable things said which it is not allowed to man to utter. (2 Cor 12:2-4 Darby)

And Revelation 2:7 says the tree of life is in the paradise (paradeisos) of God. So that seems to suggest the paradise of God is somewhere other than "the pleasant part of Hades," or at least a broader concept.

I now see this matter of "going to heaven" as similar to the LC aversion to "pastor."

It was W. Nee who pointed out in TNCCL that there is no verse in the Bible that ever uses the phrase "Pastor So'n'so," as if this was some great light. I know brothers who got seriously agitated when anyone ever mistakenly implied them to be a "pastor," since in the LC that phrase was worse than "heretic." At least while being labeled a "heretic," one might consider himself to be persecuted for the sake of deeper truths, but being called a "pastor" meant one had degraded to the depths of Christianity. Oh my!

Both "going to heaven" and being called a "pastor" with the hallmarks of degraded Christianity. The Recovery folks can sue their brothers in the courts, swindle their money with Daystar, slander brothers who disagree, steal their real estate, coverup crimes of abuse and molestation, but ... don't call me a "pastor!" And don't say we are "going to heaven!"

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I now see this matter of "going to heaven" as similar to the LC aversion to "pastor."

I did a google search, first hit was this question "Are you going to heaven when you die?" The hits come up "Are you going to heaven or hell when you die?" Which in my mind is equal to a "different gospel" spoken of by Paul in Galatians, and according to Paul these ones should be anathema.


To me this gospel is akin to the restoration done on the Jesus fresco that was so hysterical.