Spiritual Abuse Verses

Cal · 08-14-2008, 05:59 PM

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices -- mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law -- justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel."

[Matthew 23:23-24, NIV]

Cal · 08-14-2008, 06:01 PM

Jesus said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves."

[Luke 22:25-26, NIV]

Cal · 08-14-2008, 06:01 PM

This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.

[Galatians 2:4, NIV]

Cal · 08-14-2008, 06:03 PM

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."

[Matthew 23:13, NIV]

Cal · 08-14-2008, 06:12 PM

"Among my people are wicked men who lie in wait like men who snare birds and like those who set traps to catch men. Like cages full of birds, their houses are full of deceit; they have become rich and powerful and have grown fat and sleek. Their evil deeds have no limit; they do not plead the case of the fatherless to win it, they do not defend the rights of the poor. Should I not punish them for this?” declares the Lord. “Should I not avenge myself on such a nation as this?"

[Jeremiah 5:26-29, NIV]

Ohio · 08-14-2008, 08:01 PM

Having just read a political commentary with the above title, a few comments were made that were quite fitting and appropriate for repeating here. I am going to take a few liberties to make this post more readable and hopefully purged of politics. It is my feeling that the comments apply to all in leadership roles. The quotes will be italicized and colored.

After mentioning a story of a politician with one of the hottest tempers around, the writer asks, "Should we care? I think we should. The most important measure of a human being is the way he or she treats other people, especially those under his or her power. By many accounts, Mr. X degrades and demeans them. And there's no excuse for it."

Interestingly, a sidebar to the article lists many "Notable bullies of our times," with nasty stories attached to each one.

The article continues with another politician, "We've all met people like Mr. Y; some of us have worked for folks like him. You don't want a boss who degrades, harangues and humiliates you. So why would you vote for one? Here you might reply that public officials are elected to, well, serve the public. So if their arrogant and domineering style gets staffers to work harder, it's good for all of us.

But let's leave aside the question of whether this style produces better results. Even if it did - and I have my doubts - it still would be wrong. Our lawmakers do more than simply make laws; they're supposed to represent us, in every sense of the word. By electing officials who demean their employees, we also demean ourselves."

Referring to another leader, he asks, "How much does personal virtue matter in public office? ... Presidents - more than anybody else - serve as symbols of us all; they embody our deepest beliefs, values and principles. We would never elect people who did physical harm to those under their charge. But we continue to elect verbal and emotional bullies, who can do just as much damage." -- JZ, professor NYU

Shouldn't we expect as much from LC leaders? Several times I have mentioned that the single most objectionable LC matter for me was the mistreatment of people, i.e. the program transformed beloved brothers into bullies. From the top down, far too many LC leaders have failed us in this regard ... and far too many loving shepherds have departed due to them.

finallyprettyokay · 08-14-2008, 08:17 PM

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Ohio wrote: Several times I have mentioned that the single most objectionable LC matter for me was the mistreatment of people, i.e. the program transformed beloved brothers into bullies. From the top down, far too many LC leaders have failed us in this regard ... and far too many loving shepherds have departed due to them.

Exactly!!! Couldn't have said it better. People got hurt there.

08-14-2008, 08:01 PM	#6
Ohio Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greater Ohio Posts: 13,693	Bullies in High Places Having just read a political commentary with the above title, a few comments were made that were quite fitting and appropriate for repeating here. I am going to take a few liberties to make this post more readable and hopefully purged of politics. It is my feeling that the comments apply to all in leadership roles. The quotes will be italicized and colored. After mentioning a story of a politician with one of the hottest tempers around, the writer asks, "Should we care? I think we should. The most important measure of a human being is the way he or she treats other people, especially those under his or her power. By many accounts, Mr. X degrades and demeans them. And there's no excuse for it." Interestingly, a sidebar to the article lists many "Notable bullies of our times," with nasty stories attached to each one. The article continues with another politician, "We've all met people like Mr. Y; some of us have worked for folks like him. You don't want a boss who degrades, harangues and humiliates you. So why would you vote for one? Here you might reply that public officials are elected to, well, serve the public. So if their arrogant and domineering style gets staffers to work harder, it's good for all of us. But let's leave aside the question of whether this style produces better results. Even if it did - and I have my doubts - it still would be wrong. Our lawmakers do more than simply make laws; they're supposed to represent us, in every sense of the word. By electing officials who demean their employees, we also demean ourselves." Referring to another leader, he asks, "How much does personal virtue matter in public office? ... Presidents - more than anybody else - serve as symbols of us all; they embody our deepest beliefs, values and principles. We would never elect people who did physical harm to those under their charge. But we continue to elect verbal and emotional bullies, who can do just as much damage." -- JZ, professor NYU Shouldn't we expect as much from LC leaders? Several times I have mentioned that the single most objectionable LC matter for me was the mistreatment of people, i.e. the program transformed beloved brothers into bullies. From the top down, far too many LC leaders have failed us in this regard ... and far too many loving shepherds have departed due to them. __________________ Ohio's motto is: With God all things are possible!. Keeping all my posts short, quick, living, and to the point!

08-14-2008, 05:59 PM	#1
Cal Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 4,333	"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices -- mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law -- justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel." [Matthew 23:23-24, NIV]

08-14-2008, 06:01 PM	#2
Cal Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 4,333	Jesus said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves." [Luke 22:25-26, NIV]

08-14-2008, 06:03 PM	#4
Cal Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 4,333	"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to." [Matthew 23:13, NIV]

08-14-2008, 06:12 PM	#5
Cal Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 4,333	"Among my people are wicked men who lie in wait like men who snare birds and like those who set traps to catch men. Like cages full of birds, their houses are full of deceit; they have become rich and powerful and have grown fat and sleek. Their evil deeds have no limit; they do not plead the case of the fatherless to win it, they do not defend the rights of the poor. Should I not punish them for this?” declares the Lord. “Should I not avenge myself on such a nation as this?" [Jeremiah 5:26-29, NIV]