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Originally Posted by Ohio

Horribly insulting and discrediting to your case for you to even place these two Charles' into the same paragraph.

Sorry I speak plainly. Also, I only took your frame of logic and applied it to another example so you can see how flawed your logic is concerning what makes a person good. I would never say CHUCK is LIKE CHARLES. Only, your use of anecdotal evidence to defend his published teachings is a bad way of viewing the world. Again, you have not addressed whether or not "Chuck" or you believe in the published materials he has that put women down. I will directly ask you, Do you or do you not believe in the subjection of women to man?

Again, I think the frustration you are expressing here on this forum is cleary you being frustrated with yourself. For all I have done is to quote Chuck and how his preaching set the tone for a women’s abuse. Having a women not speak in coded language like many of you and nit picking at details like you often do, and plainly and unapologetically calling out the abuses many of you have participated in and, as found here on this forum BEGAN WITH WN is probably incredibly hard to deal with. The group of women LC survivors I know all also have had a long journey or recovery and self-realization that has been slow and difficult.

In response to IGZY and alwayslearning

Specifically about Nee, we have this new example of abuse that I cannot wait to read in English. And find it interesting that the last man that even I thought as good WN, also was a sexual deviant making pornography in motel rooms. I mean, you can’t write fiction any better than how the LC history has unfolded. I am confident and God has filled me with his confidence that she is telling the truth. I do not think a woman, who has received higher education and is nearly on her deathbed would have any reason to falsely relive her horrific memoirs. This book will be great and I hope you all except it. I will allow you all to continue nitpicking at the veracity of this book while I will take it as another piece to the puzzle and allow it to help me paint the picture of the LC and its horrors.

As far as delineating the gross sexual abuses found in the LC, I think you need not force a woman to publically humiliate herself. And if you cannot see how women are left shattered and abused by this church than also, we are coming to a dead end here. It seems that truly many of you have a true cognitive inability to except that this church keeps women down and puts them in situations that are horrific and not common outside to the church. A cult expert that meets with our group of survivors has shed light that for the men who leave to break the frame of logic that swept them up is near impossible. And without conscious effort, will never happen. Brothers allowing or not allowing their wives to do simple things, grown men never cooking dinner or changing a diaper, all the while holding eternal damnation over her head is only where it begins. You know where it ends. RAPE, there I said it. Women in the LC are to a shocking degree raped more often than others. Be it by men in the church or caused because they think they are just an object to be used by men, a belief caused by the church’s teachings and style of control and power, it is all the same thing. Now I know many of you will be rape apologists and deny this. It is true. I hope one day God graces you with forgiveness for teaching that women need be less than men.

Make no mistake; no fornicator . . . , no adulterer or sexual pervert, will possess the kingdom of God. 1 Cor. 6:9–10