Nigel Tomes - LSM's Unorthodox Satanology

[Paul Miletus]

Originally Posted by KSA

Dear Paul, we can play with different metaphors, but metaphors are useful only when they are based on the Word. Now let's see at the biblical picture of the fall. You know the law of the first occurrence that establishes a principle. The first one to fall was Lucifer. Now can you tell me what kind of bacteria did he catch? Or who injected sinful nature into him? What does the Word say about his fall? "You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you... you became filled with violence within, and you sinned... Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty... You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor...(Ez. 28:15-17). Satan fell because iniquity was found in him, it did not come from outside. It was not injected into him. No sinful nature was added to him. He corrupted his own nature.

Though man and Lucifer are both creatures of God, however they are totally different. When God created man he had body, soul, and spirit and the "uncreated life of God" as signified by the Tree of Life was outside of man, as well as "sin" or "sinful nature" or "death" or "personified Satan" as signified by the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil.

Now, please take note that Satan is "spirit" and has no body nor soul.

For a clear mind, we would be able to reason out that nothing can be injected to Satan since he did not possess any body in the first place. You said that "Satan fell because iniquity was found in him, it did not come from outside." I can agree with this statement. However, Satan was not privileged by God to choose from any tree, only man was given this high privilege.

The Bible is so illustrative that you cannot miss what God is telling us. The tenet of the Bible is for God, as the Triune God, to dispense Himself into man. God cannot dispense Himself to any other creatures because only man is perfectly matched and compatible with God. The Word says, whatever is born of flesh is flesh, whatever is born of Spirit is spirit. Please pray-read Zechariah 12:1 and you will see for yourself how important man is to God. God created the universe for the earth to exist. God created the earth for man to exist. God formed the spirit within the man to make man His habitation. God is Spirit and only the spirit of man can receive and communicate with God alone.

Unfortunately, Satan frustrated God's plan for man to take Him as man's life as signified by the Tree of Life by deceiving and persuading man to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thus death reigned through the first Adam. Death is of the Devil, who is Satan. After the fall, the body was no longer a "body" but transmuted into "flesh".

Praise the Lord! The Bible is full of illustrations because the Tree of Life that was missed by the first Adam is now available through the Lord Jesus Christ who Himself declared that He is the True Vine. The Tree of Life is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself! (I hope you will agree with me that the Tree of Life is signfied by the Lord Jesus.)

Christ is within you the hope of glory! Does this Word ring a bell? If the first Adam had eaten the fruit of the Tree of Life, I believe you are in agreement within that something was "injected" or received by man, Who is Christ within us. In like manner, why can't we understand that through the mistake of the first Adam by eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil something was "injected" or received by man. After man's fall, the human being was corrupted: the body was transmuted into flesh; the soul into self; and the spirit was deadened. Death reigned in man's body which used to be but now, after man's fall, was corrupted by Satan.

Grace be with you.

[KSA]

Originally Posted by Paul Miletus

Though man and Lucifer are both creatures of God, however they are totally different.

You have to prove from the Word that this difference - Lucifer being angel and Adam being a man - is significant in our understanding of the fall. The fall is primary a corruption of will - both Lucifer and Adam had a free will, in this way they were no different.

[Paul Miletus]

Originally Posted by KSA

You have to prove from the Word that this difference - Lucifer being angel and Adam being a man - is significant in our understanding of the fall. The fall is primary a corruption of will - both Lucifer and Adam had a free will, in this way they were no different.

We are talking about the writing of Nigel Tomes where he was contending that the local church and specifically Brother Witness Lee erred when he wrote that something was injected in man after the fall. This something has to do with the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil which signifies "sin", "death", even "Satan" himself that entered into man and corrupted him, whereby his body was transmuted into flesh, his soul was transmuted into self, and his spirit was deadened.

The book of Genesis chapter 3 is so vivid illustrating that the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil entered into man after man ate the fruit. Thus, "sin" or "death" reigned in man after the fall of man. The Old Testament are full of illustrations that cannot be found in the New Testament. The New Testament deals mostly with spiritual things which nobody can see them clearly except we go back to the Old Testament for us to see them accurately.

The point we are making is that whether Nigel Tomes had made a mistake in assessing the teachings of the local church or Brother Witness Lee. Discussing about Lucifer is a tangent in this subject. You must accept the reality that Lucifer does not have a "body" to be compared with "man". Therefore, you must go back to man's being having body, soul, and spirit to defend the writings of Nigel Tomes.

I can see clearly that Nigel Tomes lacks the understanding of the vast difference between "flesh" and "body". I can also perceive that he must have neglected the difference of the status or condition of man between "man's prior fall" and "man's after fall". Sorry to say, but this statement also applies to you.