Apostles

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Igzy

I meant that in order to have the kind of order and conformity to the apostle the LRC envisioned there would have to be much more agreement on who the apostle is and therefore much more reasonable evidence.

That is, to expect everyone to follow one man the evidence has to be there that would reasonably compel everyone to do so. The LRC never had that for Lee.

They just convinced themselves they did and expected everyone to join in their decision. That works for a handful of fanatics, but to reasonably expect the entire Body of Christ to even consider following one man you have to have a whole lot more evidence than even we gave Lee credit for having.

This became a major flaw in the MOTA paradigm. Since Paul never had universal agreement concerning his singular apostleship as some MOTA, how in the world could we expect to have others believe WL was that.

To be honest, starting in the mid-70's, I did believe that WL would be recognized as a universal MOTA once the litigation on the books G-M and MB was completed. After the books were dealt with in the mid 80's, I went thru a period of time waiting on the Lord to fulfill my expectations. I assumed the "new way" would expedite the Lord's anointing.

I guess i was wrong about that one. :frown:

[Cal]

We were all young, naive and, most importantly, ignorant, back then.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Igzy

We were all young, naive and, most importantly, ignorant, back then.

Yes we were. That's why I decided to do my best not to be ignorant like that anymore. Even if it puts me at odds with my Christian brothers and sisters, which is pretty common now.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Yes we were. That's why I decided to do my best not to be ignorant like that anymore. Even if it puts me at odds with my Christian brothers and sisters, which is pretty common now.

It's one thing to no longer trust contemporary leaders who have never earned that trust, but it's another thing to no longer trust those who have been proven over the span of 2,000 years.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Igzy

We were all young, naive and, most importantly, ignorant, back then.

We trusted in people who actually did little to earn that trust.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This became a major flaw in the MOTA paradigm. Since Paul never had universal agreement concerning his singular apostleship as some MOTA, how in the world could we expect to have others believe WL was that.

This is why I think the MOTA teaching and others like it are not intended to get everyone on board, but are in fact intended to give the LRC participants excuses for ignoring and separating themselves from the rest of the Body of Christ.

If they concoct some non-negotiable principle which the rest of the Body fails to live up to (MOTA, VOTA, local ground, gospel of the kingdom, God's economy, whatever), then they can excuse themselves from the inconvenient business of having to maintain fellowship with the rest of the Body.

This is basically what they are doing. It's all just an excuse for playing in their own comfortable little sandbox, while pretending it's the only sandbox around.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Igzy

This is why I think the MOTA teaching and others like it are not intended to get everyone on board, but are in fact intended to give the LRC participants excuses for ignoring and separating themselves from the rest of the Body of Christ.

If they concoct some non-negotiable principle which the rest of the Body fails to live up to (MOTA, VOTA, local ground, gospel of the kingdom, God's economy, whatever), then they can excuse themselves from the inconvenient business of having to maintain fellowship with the rest of the Body.

This is basically what they are doing. It's all just an excuse for playing in their own comfortable little sandbox, while pretending it's the only sandbox around.

This is a much better focus, is it a matter of the faith to receive some brother as "MOTA" or "The Apostle", etc. If I refuse to receive Paul, or Peter, Or James or WL as "MOTA" is that a basis to cut off fellowship? Is this a matter of the faith?

To me that is clear for all genuine Christians that this is not a matter of the faith and it is not a basis to be divisive. If a church doesn't want to receive LSM publications is that a basis to cut them off? Absolutely not. It is not a matter of the faith.

If a church does not want to attend LSM trainings is that a basis to cut them off? Absolutely not, it is not a matter of the faith.