Apostles

[awareness]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

ZNP you are looking at this whole thing from the wrong angle.

The Holy Spirit chose several of the earliest apostles, along with some others closely related to them, to write what would eventually be accepted as the Canon of the New Testament.

Good points bro UnToHim.

But did you really have to make up that story about the holy spirit pickin wise and spiritual men to put the canonical books together?

The Catholic church even today consider the church to be a higher authority then the Bible because they chose the books of the Bible. And I don't think they were spirit led wise and spiritual men. They were scoundrels that manhandled the NT manuscripts and changed them. So because of them there are more errors in the NT manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.

Besides that, good post ...

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by awareness

Good points bro UnToHim.
But did you really have to make up that story about the holy spirit pickin wise and spiritual men to put the canonical books together?
The Catholic church even today consider the church to be a higher authority then the Bible because they chose the books of the Bible. And I don't think they were spirit led wise and spiritual men. They were scoundrels that manhandled the NT manuscripts and changed them. So because of them there are more errors in the NT manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.
Besides that, good post ...

Harold I think you posted this in the wrong thread - I think you meant to place it in the UFO/Alien thread didn't you? If you are going to hammer on the Catholic church you really need to get your facts straight. I mean, do you get ALL your information from those conspiracy kooks? You seem smarter then that. I know you don't want the Bible to be true, heck 99% of the human race doesn't want any of it to be true, but I'm afraid you are going to have to do better then what you have posted here. It's real weak dude...kinda like the stories of the people who claim they have been "abducted" by some green men and their flying saucer

[awareness]

Good come back bro. So how are you going to prove that, "At a certain point, the Holy Spirit then chose a number of wise and spiritual men to come and put together what we now know as the New Testament?" Just who were these wise and spiritual men?

And how do you get around that there are more errors in the manuscripts than words in the New Testament?

[OBW]

Originally Posted by awareness

Good come back bro. So how are you going to prove that, "At a certain point, the Holy Spirit then chose a number of wise and spiritual men to come and put together what we now know as the New Testament?" Just who were these wise and spiritual men?

And how do you get around that there are more errors in the manuscripts than words in the New Testament?

And how many of those errors actually result in one version or another saying something truly different? I believe that the answer is "very few" and that even those differences do not change the meaning of the message.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

And how do you get around that there are more errors in the manuscripts than words in the New Testament?

We already rebutted that statement.

First of all, there are absolutely no errors regarding the truths of the faith. All the so-called "errors" are minor discrepancies in word tenses and the like. The transmission of documents from the original autographs is more exceedingly accurate than any other documents in man's history.

Also the dates of newly uncovered manuscripts continue to improve. For example, "the Chester Beatty Papyrus II, containing all of Paul's epistles except the Pastorals (I Tim, II Tim, Titus) has recently been dated to the late 1st century." -- P.W. Comfort, The Origin of the Bible

awareness, it is highly unfair to other forum readers for you to continually make distorted and exaggerated claims in order to discredit the scriptures. I really wish you would do some unbiased investigative research into these areas, and not just quote untested internet sources which are designed to simply breed doubts and questionings.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

We already rebutted that statement.

First of all, there are absolutely no errors regarding the truths of the faith.

Yes likely true. But even one error calls into question the superstitious presumption of inerrancy of NT scripture.

All the so-called "errors" are minor discrepancies in word tenses and the like.

No there's more to it than that. Example : The Comma Johanneum of 1 John 5:7-8 ; The end of Mark, and even the adulterous woman of cast the first stone in the Gospel of John. These are hefty changes, not word tenses and such.

Also the dates of newly uncovered manuscripts continue to improve. For example, "the Chester Beatty Papyrus II, containing all of Paul's epistles except the Pastorals (I Tim, II Tim, Titus) has recently been dated to the late 1st century." -- P.W. Comfort, The Origin of the Bible

Yes, and I believe is why 1 and 11 Timothy and Titus are suspected forgeries.

awareness, it is highly unfair to other forum readers for you to continually make distorted and exaggerated claims in order to discredit the scriptures. I really wish you would do some unbiased investigative research into these areas, and not just quote untested internet sources which are designed to simply breed doubts and questionings.

Most of my learning comes from reading books, not from the web.