Evil Books

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Book of Evil-Speaking #5
Elders Training Book 10
To assert that this is now the fifth book of evil-speaking from the press at LSM is not an exaggeration. They produce the books; I report them. Young people especially need to learn how not to speak; and thus stay away from lies and mere party-line agenda in the Local Churches.

The content of Elders’ Training, Book 10, like the four books of evil-speaking before it, deals falsely with the late 80s turmoil in messages given in 1989-1991. It joins the first four books of fiction and evil-speaking -

A Response to Recent Accusations, RK
The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion, WL
An Affirmation of the Proper Authority in the Body of Christ AY
The Problems Causing Turmoil WL
http://www.UnfaithfulWitness.org/Ano...lSpeaking5.pdf

Indiana, there are two trees but only one is made manifest through these publications.
If you embrace the content of these texts, the speaking is innoculating.

I however have found the speaking in these books to be cancerous and from the tree of knowledge.

[Indiana]

"Furthermore, we have to realize who has the function and qualification as the priest to discern leprosy among the Lord's children." - WL. 1993

Brother Lee felt that he alone could discern leprosy in the Body. The truth is that he could not even discern his own condition and that of his son, Philip, who was fully unqualified to be in and among the saints directing and instructing elders and young people, corrupting them, as well as LSM staff sisters.

Excerpts from Problems Causing Turmoil

Witness Lee: "When we accept someone at the Lord's table, we have to consider the Body. According to the practice of Rom. 14, we accept all of the Lord's children, but according to Rom. 16:17 we have to mark those who make divisions, and turn away from them. We cannot receive division-makers who have been quarantined by the Body. Furthermore, we have to realize who has the function and qualification as the priest to discern leprosy among the Lord's children. Again, this is a matter of practicing the Body life. If a local church receives someone who has offended the Body to the uttermost, that local church is obviously not going along with and not one with the Body. We have to take care of the Body.

...But receiving a person who has made trouble in the recovery and who is still making trouble involves the Body very much. If we behave ourselves properly, we are okay in the Body. But if we commit something that is condemned by the New Testament, the Body has the right to say something. The Body will check with a local church if there is a division-maker among them whom they have not disciplined. If they do not discipline such a one, they are wrong and offending the Body.

To know the Body is the proper recovery of the Lord. If we are for the recovery, we need to realize what the recovery is.The Lord desires to recover the missed Body of Christ and to recover the neglected oneness of the Body of Christ. This is the Lord's recovery."

Brother Lee's discernment of leprosy was so far off that he considered John Ingalls such a leper but not his own son.

When Philip was finally removed from his position at LSM and excommunicated in the church, WL took him to a Lord's table meeting at another LC, the church in Cypress. Did he respect the feeling of the Body and the churches then?

He also had no discernment of the divisive activities of Benson Phillips, Ray Graver, and Andrew Yu, among others.

[Indiana]

B. Lee reiterates toward the end of the book what he said earlier about respecting the opinion of “the Body”, referring to the Local Churches who quarantined four LC leaders in 1990.


from Problems Causing Turmoils – 1993

WITNESS LEE: “Regardless of how much we have received from a certain one in the past, if he does something that offends the Body, we must practice the truth. We must know the Body and trust in the Body. The churches in CA wrote an open letter because they felt burdened and were held responsible to let the churches on this globe know the damage certain ones did in California and the loss which they had suffered. In this open letter they said that they had made the decision to quarantine these ones. Should we listen to the churches or take care of our own personal observation of the situation? If we put the notification of so many churches aside and go to investigate the situation for ourselves, this is an offending to the Body. Do we respect the Body or do we respect ourselves?

"It is not a matter of whether someone is right or wrong. He might be right, but still he offended the Body. We need to see the Body. What the Lord wants is the Body….”

The Problem of Ambition
Those who took the lead in the recent turmoil did not care for the Body. They also misunderstood us. Such misunderstanding comes mostly from ambition. If a person did not have any ambition in a certain matter, he would not have any misunderstanding. If a person desires to gain something for himself and does not get it, he may feel that he has been mistreated. Actually, he was not mistreated by others, but was misled by his own ambition. The problem here is the desire to achieve something for themselves.


See www.twoturmoils.com


We must speak the truth; we must not let lies prevail; we should not let evil-speaking triumph, “no matter how much we have received from a certain one in the past”.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Indiana

"It is not a matter of whether someone is right or wrong. He might be right, but still he offended the Body. We need to see the Body. What the Lord wants is the Body….”

The Problem of Ambition
Those who took the lead in the recent turmoil did not care for the Body. They also misunderstood us. Such misunderstanding comes mostly from ambition. If a person did not have any ambition in a certain matter, he would not have any misunderstanding. If a person desires to gain something for himself and does not get it, he may feel that he has been mistreated. Actually, he was not mistreated by others, but was misled by his own ambition. The problem here is the desire to achieve something for themselves.

Offended whom? Does offending a minority of brothers constitute offending the Body? Reading this quote with historical context, that is what it amounts to. The Body is not representative, thus you cannot say only a select few are qualified to discern the feeling of the Body. That my brothers and sisters is to go beyond your measure.
We know in part what the quote was referring to as what "offended the Body". The 18 points from 8/28/88. Never knew of these point existence until the last 5-10 years. Personally I was helped by these points and was not offended in the least.

Talking about ambition. There are different types of ambition. It's one thing for a brother to try to gain a following. Did the quarantined brothers try to do that? No. They gravitated towards saints who would receive them.
If they are guilty of any ambition and myself included, it is to be treated with dignity. Who wants to be shunned? Who wants the ability for mutual communication cut off? This is considered a "misunderstanding"? Unless there is communication, there is no way to clear any misunderstandings.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Indiana

"Furthermore, we have to realize who has the function and qualification as the priest to discern leprosy among the Lord's children." - WL. 1993

Let me see if I can understand this allegory. According to WL he is comparing JI and others to those with leprosy. The reason they are considered "leprous" is because they tried to protect the saints in the church that they were elders from a lecherous man, who happened to be WL's son.

According to this analogy it was the OT priesthood that was responsible to deal with leprosy. According to Peter, the saints in the NT are "a royal priesthood". So when WL says "we have to realize who has the function and qualification as the priest to discern leprosy among the Lord's children" is he referring to the saints in the church? Is he referring to us? Because if he isn't it sounds like he is promoting a clergy laity system which, in my opinion, would be extremely hypocritical for a person that disparaged the clergy laity as much as he did.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

According to this analogy it was the OT priesthood that was responsible to deal with leprosy. According to Peter, the saints in the NT are "a royal priesthood". So when WL says "we have to realize who has the function and qualification as the priest to discern leprosy among the Lord's children" is he referring to the saints in the church? Is he referring to us? Because if he isn't it sounds like he is promoting a clergy laity system which, in my opinion, would be extremely hypocritical for a person that disparaged the clergy laity as much as he did.

Solid points ZNP. Moreover I think brother Lee wanted to limit the scope of who is qualified to discern leprosy. Specifically those who expressed loyalty to his ministry. Brothers who were no longer absolute for his ministry were disqualified in his mind for the sake of his work and for the sake of his son's reputation.
How dare anyone think it's his co-workers or his son as the office manager who were the leprous ones.

[ZNPaaneah]

By attempting to limit the scope of who is qualified he acted hypocritically and he will be condemned by his own words.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

By attempting to limit the scope of who is qualified he acted hypocritically and he will be condemned by his own words.

You saw much of the same thing in 2006 was it when Titus Chu and his co-workers were quarantined. Sure there were saints as yourself and localities that wrote open letters rejecting the quarantine. Ohio, I believe brought out in his posts in those situations where localities rejected the quarantine, were deemed as needing to be "replastered" by LSM.

[Indiana]

Evil Book 5

Elders’ Training, Book 10



1. WL refers to an illogical and unreasonable rebellion, although it was completely logical and reasonable to stand against sin and an LSM takeover of the churches.

A Test to Faithful Ones

WITNESS LEE: “The illogical and unreasonable rebellion is a test to the faithful ones. Any saint who knows the New Testament teachings logically and reasonably and who is faithful to the Lord according to his holy and unchanging Word would not care for the unbridled speakings in the present turmoil. So the turmoil is really a test to the faithful ones for their approvedness.” (1 Cor. 11:19) (Elders’ Training Book 10, p. 15)



2. In the following paragraph, WL referred to the “rebellion” as a sifting, or a kind of purifying, to the “faithful ones”, himself included. He claimed to be slandered, defamed and lied about, referring to the actions of former leaders against him. Yet, the facts of unfiltered history show that they spoke the truth. Still, official word has it that ”faithful ones” in the church were purified in the so-called “rebellion”.

See www.TwoTurmoils.com/PeopleChange.pdf for a truth-study of the alleged rebellion.



Purification to the Recovery

WITNESS LEE: “A rebellion always brings about some sifting among God’s people. This sifting can be considered as a kind of purification exercised by the Lord’s sovereignty to purify His collective people. Furthermore, the occurring of a rebellion also renders some purification to the faithful ones in their intention, their motive, their purpose, their aim, and other matters. To some extent I have been purified. During the turmoil, when I heard that people slandered me, and defamed me, as the Lord said in Matt. 5:11, “Blessed are you when they reproach and persecute you, and say every evil thing against you, lying for My sake,” I checked with the Lord to find out if I was wrong. By such checking, I was purified.” (Elders’ Training Book 10, p. 15)


See www.TwoTurmoils.com/PeopleChange.pdf for a truth-study of the alleged rebellion.

[Suannehill]

Originally Posted by Terry

..., were deemed as needing to be "replastered" by LSM.

Well...as one who was "plastered" I truely appreciate this thread!
What was tapped by Aneheim to lead after the plastering was "sad" to say the least.
"Getting plastered" takes on a completely new meaning!