Lee and the book of Job

[ZNPaaneah]

This is why I refer to the Bible as "the word of God". I cannot believe that when God inspired this word that Jesus was not His focus. Also, I think I have done an adequate job of presenting why I believe that God's answer to this question is Jesus.

Your answer here is a matter of "moving the goalposts". You asked for NT verse references that connect Job with my interpretation. I gave you that. You then respond that it doesn't matter because somehow you know that this was not what the writer was thinking. That reasoning would negate much of what we consider the Bible and the word of God.

This is the crux of the dispute. It is not WL teachings, or the use of metaphor, or providing NT references, or misreading the language. The dispute is that, despite all of the evidence, you believe that this is the word of man and I believe it is the word of God.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This is why I refer to the Bible as "the word of God"...

Excellent summary of events and conclusion, and this what I find to be so tragic with some of the saints who have over-reacted to LC indoctrinations. In their attempts to purge their souls of all WL/LC teachings and practices, they have unfortunately discarded the good with the bad.

There are other posters who seem to think nothing of it, since they both share the same distaste for the LRC, but then they become troubled with me when I discuss the need to purge the leaven of WL, exercising discernment between the good and the worthless.

My journey has not been easy, but thank the Lord that I left both the church of Rome and the church of Anaheim still believing the Bible was the word of God. This thread has been particularly valuable concerning the book of Job, and worthy of further review.

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Excellent summary of events and conclusion, and this what I find to be so tragic with some of the saints who have over-reacted to LC indoctrinations. In their attempts to purge their souls of all WL/LC teachings and practices, they have unfortunately discarded the good with the bad.

There are other posters who seem to think nothing of it, since they both share the same distaste for the LRC, but then they become troubled with me when I discuss the need to purge the leaven of WL, exercising discernment between the good and the worthless.

My journey has not been easy, but thank the Lord that I left both the church of Rome and the church of Anaheim still believing the Bible was the word of God. This thread has been particularly valuable concerning the book of Job, and worthy of further review.

The irony to me is that, would anyone consider that awareness' (and my) attitude toward the OT could have come from the LRC?

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This thread has been particularly valuable concerning the book of Job, and worthy of further review.

I'm glad Ohio finds this thread valuable, considering that he declared the questions that led to it as "inappropriate for the forum".

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

I'm glad Ohio finds this thread valuable, considering that he declared the questions that led to it as "inappropriate for the forum".

Fortunately some of the answers were more appropriate than the questions.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This is why I refer to the Bible as "the word of God". I cannot believe that when God inspired this word that Jesus was not His focus. Also, I think I have done an adequate job of presenting why I believe that God's answer to this question is Jesus.

Your answer here is a matter of "moving the goalposts". You asked for NT verse references that connect Job with my interpretation. I gave you that. You then respond that it doesn't matter because somehow you know that this was not what the writer was thinking. That reasoning would negate much of what we consider the Bible and the word of God.

This is the crux of the dispute. It is not WL teachings, or the use of metaphor, or providing NT references, or misreading the language. The dispute is that, despite all of the evidence, you believe that this is the word of man and I believe it is the word of God.

Another great post bro Z. And believe me I know what you are saying. I've been there. I grew up with the Bible being the word of God.

But now I don't think we should go so far with this magic Bible concept that we dismiss the fact the every book of the Bible was penned by man/men ... and then edited and added to afterwards by other men.

And therefore reflect those men's view of the world back then. This is why God in the book of Job is said to look upon the earth, with its foundation and cornerstone, as a three layered cake, with a flat earth, Hades below and heaven just above the blue sky.

Of course we now know that the earth isn't flat. And God back then knew it too. Basically, the writers of Job projected their limited understanding upon God. And those words aren't the word of God. They are words of men of limited understanding.

But don't mistake me. Just because they are words of men doesn't mean they are not invaluable. Job is a great book.

In the end the book of Job reveals that good men suffer misfortune. And there is an indifference to it. We see it all the time in catastrophes of all kinds. Just look at what's happening in Texas. Even Rick Perry's Christapalosa rain prayers didn't work. Texas is now on fire. Perry should be disqualified for president because his massive prayers didn't work, but made matters worse. God is indifferent to it. Misfortune, and indifference to it is, a hard truth of life.

Thus, the book of Job is a great book of tragic comedy. And that is why after the death of my son I was drawn to read it over and over again.