spirit, soul and body

[KSA]

Originally Posted by YP0534

Brother, I do respect your opinion in it but let me assure you from certain personal experience that for at least some problems of the mind, such as delusional paranoid schitzophrenia, there is the need for someone with sufficient skill in dealing with that part of our being in particular and soul and spirit are so easy to distinguish in that case.

To distinguish is not always too easy. Schizophrenia might be an indication of demon oppression. Medication will not help here. But, of course, an experienced man should deal with this.

On a number of cases, a specialist is not available. For example, in Russia it is very uncommon to go to a consultant. We do not have many, and they are basically unbelievers. Therefore, encounters are in great demand, and they really help much. You'll be surprised how much psycho problems are caused by spiritual causes, like unforgiveness, inherited curses, witchcraft, occultism, etc.

[YP0534]

Originally Posted by KSA

To distinguish is not always too easy. Schizophrenia might be an indication of demon oppression. Medication will not help here. But, of course, an experienced man should deal with this.

On a number of cases, a specialist is not available. For example, in Russia it is very uncommon to go to a consultant. We do not have many, and they are basically unbelievers. Therefore, encounters are in great demand, and they really help much. You'll be surprised how much psycho problems are caused by spiritual causes, like unforgiveness, inherited curses, witchcraft, occultism, etc.

Again. I do not speak in the abstract about theories or doctrines but of real first-hand personal knowledge of someone who I know is a believer who also suffered severe mental illness.

I strongly recommend that no one should be superstitious about dealing with ailments of the soul.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by KSA

To distinguish is not always too easy. Schizophrenia might be an indication of demon oppression. Medication will not help here. But, of course, an experienced man should deal with this.

On a number of cases, a specialist is not available. For example, in Russia it is very uncommon to go to a consultant. We do not have many, and they are basically unbelievers. Therefore, encounters are in great demand, and they really help much. You'll be surprised how much psycho problems are caused by spiritual causes, like unforgiveness, inherited curses, witchcraft, occultism, etc.

You make some good points here KSA. When one sees schizophrenia in action, it's hard sometimes NOT to believe it is demonic oppression. Our experience with psychiatric specialists is that they can do little more than sample "wonder drugs" which can do little more than "sedate" a wild mind.

I appreciate your views here. Living in America, the medical profession operates under this premise -- all mental health issues are biologically based. Iow, there must be some chemical imbalance, requiring the proper "meds." I am not sure which view is correct, or both of them.

Btw, the LC definitely leans toward the western style medicinal approach. The Pentecostal churches, however, lean toward the spiritual causes which you have enumerated. Their practices of deliverance are compelling to one such as I, having spent decades dismissing such nonsense as hocus-pocus.

[YP0534]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The Pentecostal churches, however, lean toward the spiritual causes which you have enumerated. Their practices of deliverance are compelling to one such as I, having spent decades dismissing such nonsense as hocus-pocus.

I do not dismiss them as nonsense at all.

I fully believe them.

Even Witness Lee taught that the ones that go out to preach the gospel must be prepared to cast out demons when they go out.

But let me just say this to all those who would attempt to steer someone away from mental health services in favor of some kinds of religious teachings about tarot cards and Ouija boards: unless you personally can ensure that that person you say has a demonic oppression or some such can get free of that, I would even say that unless you personally are able to get rid of that for them, they should be encouraged to always do their best and not put under condemnation and yet more oppression by some kind of religious opinion.

I'm done now.