Apostles

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think there may be more to it than that.

The Lord said "the hireling careth not for the sheep but when the wolf comes"

1. I think in the abuse, cover up, smear campaign, and justification there is evidence of a lack of concern for the sheep. So evidence that someone does not care for the sheep is clearly evidence that they are a hireling, whereas someone who is willing to risk his life for the sheep would be evidence of being one with the Lord. So the BBs rubber stamp approach is evidence that they are hirelings.

2. There are "wolves". Clearly, the goal of the wolf is to devour the sheep. So among the false prophets and false apostles evidence that the person is "devouring" the sheep as in Daystar, or the PL travesty, etc would be evidence of the person being a wolf. Based on this I would say that there is evidence that WL was a wolf. To me speaking Biblical truths is not evidence of either side. Satan can appear as an angel of light. Standing up to the wolves as JI and others did is evidence that these are genuine shepherds of the sheep, whereas the quarantine of TC, and covering the eyes concerning PL and JI is evidence of hirelings.

Some posters feel JI was a hireling because he left.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Some posters feel JI was a hireling because he left.

I would give that more credence if he left quietly.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Some posters feel JI was a hireling because he left.

I should correct this. That wasn't exactly correct.

The poster felt that some GLA leaders, many of whom I knew personally, who left quietly after being much abused by TC, were thus "hirelings."

I am still undecided.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I should correct this. That wasn't exactly correct.

The poster felt that some GLA leaders, many of whom I knew personally, who left quietly after being much abused by TC, were thus "hirelings."

I am still undecided.

To me, ever since the days of George Washington you know that it is better to live again to fight another day. Hit and run is better than hit and get squashed.

MacArthur was brilliant in retreat as well as in attack.

King David is another great example.

There are many ways to skin a cat. I don't stand with running and hiding, but to provide a thorough account and at the same time take a stand that eliminates any thought of rebellion or self serving may have been the best way to go.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

To me, ever since the days of George Washington you know that it is better to live again to fight another day. Hit and run is better than hit and get squashed.

MacArthur was brilliant in retreat as well as in attack.

King David is another great example.

There are many ways to skin a cat. I don't stand with running and hiding, but to provide a thorough account and at the same time take a stand that eliminates any thought of rebellion or self serving may have been the best way to go.

I should say that those who left did talk privately to those who asked. I have not found anything that was written, however. In this regard, related to all the storms that originated in Anaheim, TC used to boast that no brother under his care ever became a problem to the Recovery.

If a leader needs his former workers to be silent at their departure, then he is not beyond reproach, and must have much to hide. There is no record in the N.T. of Paul abusing his co-workers, so LC leaders who abuse one another are without Biblical support. Thus they desire departing workers to maintain "radio silence" at all costs.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I should say that those who left did talk privately to those who asked. I have not found anything that was written, however. In this regard, related to all the storms that originated in Anaheim, TC used to boast that no brother under his care ever became a problem to the Recovery.

If a leader needs his former workers to be silent at their departure, then he is not beyond reproach, and must have much to hide. There is no record in the N.T. of Paul abusing his co-workers, so LC leaders who abuse one another are without Biblical support. Thus they desire departing workers to maintain "radio silence" at all costs.

An elder should be beyond reproach, therefore you don't need to worry about someone "making trouble".

Second, an accusation against an elder should not be heard unless by 2 or 3 credible witnesses. This forum has provided that and more. So if the LRC refuses to hear they have an issue with the Lord Jesus. It is not rebellion to bring an accusation against an elder, if done properly and according to the scripture.

Third, it is perfectly reasonable to examine a witness. You might be interested in motive or credibility issues. Therefore, taking a stand outside of the LRC where you have nothing to gain other than standing for the truth in love may be where the Lord has led you.

Fourth, many of the witnesses on this forum are elders. JI is merely one example. Therefore they also should be afforded the same standard. I think it is fair to consider WL and KR as credible witnesses, but on the other hand I think it is equally fair to consider JI, JS, and BM credible witnesses.