God became man that man might become God

[OBW]

Originally Posted by David

Are we one spirit with God? :
"'The two will become one flesh.” But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. 1 Corinthians 6:16-17 "
"“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:31-32 "

Is not there only one who is holy?:
"Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.” Revelation 15:4 "

But we also are holy, making us God.
"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 1 Peter 2:9 "
"If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches. Romans 11:16 "

It is clear that language is not your forte. English or otherwise. And in this case, the ways of speech at the times of the various writings along with how we translate it, and update it, are very meaningful.

So Jesus says we love one and hate another. Never just ignore anything. But that is not true. It is a figure of speech to make emphasis. In the passages you site, the references to God's holiness make it clear that "holy" is an accurate description of everything about God. Yet we are called to be holy. And this was stated by God himself. We clearly understand this to mean that we have a goal — a calling. We actually have a charge to be something that we, by birth, are otherwise not. We are fallen, sinful, and very decidedly unholy.

So God is truly holy. Yet we are called to be holy as well. Yes, our ability to be truly holy is predicated upon the renewing, leading, and guiding of the true Holy One who is now in our "hearts." And as we walk in that light (in the Spirit) we can actually achieve holiness — at least at the level at which we were created to be holy as image-bearers of God.

[David]

Originally Posted by OBW

And as we walk in that light (in the Spirit) we can actually achieve holiness — at least at the level at which we were created to be holy as image-bearers of God.

So you agree that we become holy, making my point.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by David

So you agree that we become holy, making my point.

Only if your point is that we do become holy. But that is decidedly not your point. Unless I am misreading you, you have gone to great lengths to try to establish that somehow we become Christ, or Christ becomes us.

That is the point that you started with when you said "Col 3.11 says Jesus is us!" But Colossians does not say that. You counter by putting the passage in a post reading "Christ is all, and in all." And no one has said that this is not true. But that does not make Christ simply us. Or us simply Christ.

And then you post the passage in Revelation that says "For you alone are holy." So I explain how that statement, as true as it is, does not deny that we can be holy without actually being Christ. But you do not counter my argument, just misrepresent it by saying "So you agree that we become holy, making my point."

If your desire is debate, you should at least beware that I am not your average fool. (I am clearly an above-average fool — and this is where a tongue-in-cheek smiley would come in handy.)

If your desire is to have a discussion among reasonable people about the meaning of certain passages (in a sort of "come, let us reason" mode) then you need to be as willing to actually consider and respond to what I say as I am to what you say. So far, I have provided reasonable analysis of your "points" yet you have simply run to different evidence without responding to what I say. Then you obviously don't respond to my last post, but act as if I have said something consistent with what you are saying. If you read scripture like you responded to my comments the it would not seem that there is any actual good-faith effort to discuss.

Prove me wrong.

[David]

Sorry, I didn't know if God's nature was his holiness. Please forgive me.