No Place Like Hell

Timotheist · 10-11-2022, 02:10 PM

This is a snippet from a pretty long article I wrote some number of years ago:

The Three Degrees of Torment

The torment of Hades, the weeping in the Outer Darkness, and the eternal Lake of Fire seem to refer to similar things, but separated in time:

1. Hades -- Refers to the time between death and resurrection.

2. The Outer Darkness -- Refers to the time between the first resurrection and the final judgment after the second resurrection. Thus, this imprisonment will be during the Millennial Kingdom.

3. The Lake of Fire -- The ultimate judgment of the unsaved.

Not only is there a difference in time, but there is also a difference in the degree of punishment.

Just throwing it out there for comments/potshots

manna-man · 10-11-2022, 03:34 PM

Dear friends.

SpeakersCorner brings up the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

This was just a story to teach a moral or spiritual principle. If you shop around through different versions, some use the word hell others grave.
Question:
What was the purpose of the parable? Was it to shore up the doctrine of hell or was it to make a point 180° in another direction?

Who was He speaking to and who was he exposing?
And he who's without sin cast the first stone.

Peace like a river...

SpeakersCorner · 10-11-2022, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timotheist

This is a snippet from a pretty long article I wrote some number of years ago:

The Three Degrees of Torment

The torment of Hades, the weeping in the Outer Darkness, and the eternal Lake of Fire seem to refer to similar things, but separated in time:

1. Hades -- Refers to the time between death and resurrection.

2. The Outer Darkness -- Refers to the time between the first resurrection and the final judgment after the second resurrection. Thus, this imprisonment will be during the Millennial Kingdom.

3. The Lake of Fire -- The ultimate judgment of the unsaved.

Not only is there a difference in time, but there is also a difference in the degree of punishment.

Just throwing it out there for comments/potshots

Good insight. In the end, establishing the accurate timeline solves all kinds of problems. Similar to “prophetic telescoping,” the problem many OT prophets had in forseeing Messiah by mixing up the two comings of Christ.

manna-man · 10-11-2022, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timotheist

This is a snippet from a pretty long article I wrote some number of years ago:

The Three Degrees of Torment

The torment of Hades, the weeping in the Outer Darkness, and the eternal Lake of Fire seem to refer to similar things, but separated in time:

1. Hades -- Refers to the time between death and resurrection.

2. The Outer Darkness -- Refers to the time between the first resurrection and the final judgment after the second resurrection. Thus, this imprisonment will be during the Millennial Kingdom.

3. The Lake of Fire -- The ultimate judgment of the unsaved.

Not only is there a difference in time, but there is also a difference in the degree of punishment.

Just throwing it out there for comments/potshots

Torment:
They're many types of torment.
Imagine if you will... standing before an earthly judge for a serious crime. Everything that means anything to you. (YOUR LIFE, LIBERTY ECT...) weighs in the balance.
Until the verdict and judgment against you is made, you are exposed to mental/psychological/concerns/torment.....

Imagine if you will...Standing before God Almighty in all of his splendor knowing you are on the scales of his justice. No hiding, No spinning a false narrative. Just the plain truth and you just observed what happened to the person before you. You've never experienced clarity like you are at that moment. Yeah, you are now being tormented by the reality of the moment and as you come to realize the outcome you weep and nash your teeth in disbelief of your utter foolishness...your mind torments you as you now realize what you chose to forfeit.
Imagine...
There is no need for fire. You've lost everything and just before your lamp is extinguished you gaze at His GLORY!
WHAT A GREAT LOSS!

Ecclesiastes 9:5
King James Version
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Peace like a river....

10-11-2022, 02:10 PM	#1
Timotheist Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 424	Re: No Place Like Hell This is a snippet from a pretty long article I wrote some number of years ago: The Three Degrees of Torment The torment of Hades, the weeping in the Outer Darkness, and the eternal Lake of Fire seem to refer to similar things, but separated in time: 1. Hades -- Refers to the time between death and resurrection. 2. The Outer Darkness -- Refers to the time between the first resurrection and the final judgment after the second resurrection. Thus, this imprisonment will be during the Millennial Kingdom. 3. The Lake of Fire -- The ultimate judgment of the unsaved. Not only is there a difference in time, but there is also a difference in the degree of punishment. Just throwing it out there for comments/potshots

10-11-2022, 03:34 PM	#2
manna-man Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida Posts: 405	Re: No Place Like Hell Dear friends. SpeakersCorner brings up the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. This was just a story to teach a moral or spiritual principle. If you shop around through different versions, some use the word hell others grave. Question: What was the purpose of the parable? Was it to shore up the doctrine of hell or was it to make a point 180° in another direction? Who was He speaking to and who was he exposing? And he who's without sin cast the first stone. Peace like a river...