Suicide

Hello forum,

I don’t know if this is coincidence or a maybe a start of some conversation about the issues related to what happens to people in this movement. I am also a registered member on this forum, but will for privacy reasons choose to post this one in this manner. I haven’t posted here for a while, but for whatever reason I decided to check out the forum this morning. Seeing the recent post about suicide, and the years of struggle that are associated with this movement hit home for me in the past few weeks.

For the first time in my life, I had to admit to my beautiful lovely wife, that during my time as a member of the local movement, I have considered this option twice. I had made plans, and knew that it was going to be the last time I ever see her, and my kids. It was the most gut wrenching experience of my life, and if it wasn’t for God stopping me in my tracks, and telling me to turn around and go home, I wouldn’t be here today to write this.

I believe that God by His mercy and grace, He has forgiven me for it, freed me from the grip, and the weight of it.

I believe in my heart, that the teachings and spiritual practices of the local church, are a perfect breathing ground for these spiritual disorders and mental, psychological, emotional trauma that if not dealt with, or recognized in time, can lead people down into irreversible pattern of self destruction. The local church’s teachings, regarding self annihilation, self hatred, self destruction, are totally to blame for these spiritual disorders. These unbiblical, uncaring, unloving methods of dealing with self, rather than dealing with sin, are satanic attempts to destroy the remaining human elements of a persons who are created in the image of God, and are a temple of the Living God.

Local churches ignorance and total failure to understand and call the issues of the soul as unimportant, selfish, or even somehow injected with satan himself, are outright fallacies and total disregard to Gods distinct care and love for individual believer as a whole. Things like denying natural affection to its brothers, sisters, family members and all outsiders completely, living in isolated state of mind, are deadly components of destruction and careless approach to God people, and fellow members of the body.

I know people today, current and former members, who are only existing and alive today, because of psychiatric drugs, trying to deal with issues that are direct results of years of neglect and abuse by the goons that run this outfit.

I will finish this by saying the following: Jesus is still powerful and mighty, just as He was when He walked this earth. He still cares about you as a whole human being, He created you and I. He still able to heal and get you into the right understanding and right view of what He actually desires in your life. I received that healing, I know the difference, and it’s available for anyone. Please pray that God releases all the broken down, abused and needy children, families from these “churches”, and sets them on the right path, right relationship with Him. Thanks for hearing my story, and please receive my true condolences to Peter D. and his family.

God bless!

[Nell]

One time deal,

Thank you for sharing this part of your life with us. I think, as you alluded, God is calling attention to something that needs to be acknowledged and exposed because it is so very real. He has an enemy and we have an enemy. There is a destructive false teaching that has been around for a long time. The fruit of this false teaching has resulted in the sifting of many souls, and the failure of their faith as Luke told us, in his gospel:

Luke 22:31-34
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for you, that your faith fail not: and when you are converted, strengthen your brethren.

So we have a warning and a powerful message of faith. We are told to share this message of faith with our brothers and sisters, that all would be strengthened.

Your words, and the words of Hannah Debelek Birchman, are a strength to all of us. These words are hard to hear, but necessary, because, when false teachings are exposed, there is hope and strength.

From Hannah "...please send an email to hbirchman@gmail.com with the following info
Subject: Peter
Let me know how you knew my brother.

***if you are a survivor of suicide and are in the need of resources, support, etc please also reach out.

Thank you, again, to you and Hannah, for your message about the strong power of faith...stronger than the lies of false teachings.

Nell

[Bible-believer]

Life can be so hard. I sometimes think of suicide, too. Christian friends asked me if Christians can commit suicide. I don't know. But I do have the thought often. When the thought comes to me, I call upon the mighty One for help. O, Lord.

[gr8ful]

Originally Posted by Bible-believer

Life can be so hard. I sometimes think of suicide, too. Christian friends asked me if Christians can commit suicide. I don't know. But I do have the thought often. When the thought comes to me, I call upon the mighty One for help. O, Lord.

Thank you for sharing, Bible-believer. Yes, Christians can harm themselves, unfortunately. We all can feel overwhelmed with no way out. But someone wise told me, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." You are NOT alone and many others have thought of self-harm.

There is help for us. I say "us," because I've struggled with the same thoughts in the past. Sometimes just having someone listen to us makes all the difference.

Here's a list of suicide crisis hotlines worldwide, or if not in an immediate danger, send me a PM and I'll listen. If you like, I'll share my experience, but I'm happy to just listen.

[Bible-believer]

Originally Posted by gr8ful

Thank you for sharing, Bible-believer. Yes, Christians can harm themselves, unfortunately. We all can feel overwhelmed with no way out. But someone wise told me, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." You are NOT alone and many others have thought of self-harm.

There is help for us. I say "us," because I've struggled with the same thoughts in the past. Sometimes just having someone listen to us makes all the difference.

Here's a list of suicide crisis hotlines worldwide, or if not in an immediate danger, send me a PM and I'll listen. If you like, I'll share my experience, but I'm happy to just listen.

Thank you. Your words means a lot to me. I know there is someone who can listen to me when I feel down.

Originally Posted by Bible-believer

Life can be so hard. I sometimes think of suicide, too. Christian friends asked me if Christians can commit suicide. I don't know. But I do have the thought often. When the thought comes to me, I call upon the mighty One for help. O, Lord.

I’ll say this to people who are and have been at one time or another associated with the local church or the lord’s recovery. If you have left or by Gods mercy He took you out of this movement, but you never came to realization that there is absolutely something wrong with this group spiritually, you should pray about it and ask God to show you the truth. I don’t mean the teachings, that’s easy, I mean spiritual bondage and spiritual dependence, because of their rituals and practices.
When I left, I was told by a leading guru, that you can leave, but once you are “hooked” you are hooked. It took me some time to understand what that hook is, and it’s only because of God removing that hook and setting me free, I had never even once had those thoughts or even anything close to it again. I promise you one thing, it’s is not coming from God, or the Holy Spirit, but it comes from other spiritual beings that present themselves as god, and the Holy Spirit. You can ask God to set you free from those, and you won’t ever have to deal with it ever again! You don’t need some special person with some special gifts, it’s just you and God, and He can make that happen! I wish I can describe the freedom and liberty, but I don’t have the words to do so! I would trade all I have for it, and it would feel like a drop in the bucket!
I’ll keep you in my prayers Bible-believer.
Thanks

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I’ll say this to people who are and have been at one time or another associated with the local church or the lord’s recovery. If you have left or by Gods mercy He took you out of this movement, but you never came to realization that there is absolutely something wrong with this group spiritually, you should pray about it and ask God to show you the truth. I don’t mean the teachings, that’s easy, I mean spiritual bondage and spiritual dependence, because of their rituals and practices.

When I left, I was told by a leading guru, that you can leave, but once you are “hooked” you are hooked. It took me some time to understand what that hook is, and it’s only because of God removing that hook and setting me free, I had never even once had those thoughts or even anything close to it again. I promise you one thing, it’s is not coming from God, or the Holy Spirit, but it comes from other spiritual beings that present themselves as god, and the Holy Spirit. You can ask God to set you free from those, and you won’t ever have to deal with it ever again! You don’t need some special person with some special gifts, it’s just you and God, and He can make that happen! I wish I can describe the freedom and liberty, but I don’t have the words to do so! I would trade all I have for it, and it would feel like a drop in the bucket!

I’ll keep you in my prayers Bible-believer.
Thanks

I totally agree that thoughts of suicide are not coming from God, but from God's enemy. Statements from ANYBODY that "you can't leave"..."you're hooked"..."your walk with the Lord will be over"...such comments as these are lies...a curse. A curse also perpetrated by God's enemy who desires to sift you like wheat. As you pray, pray for protection from such words, lies, from His enemy...regardless of who speaks such things designed to trap you in a web of lies.

As for "You don’t need some special person with some special gifts, it’s just you and God, and He can make that happen!" This may be true for some, but not necessarily for all. You may need some help from another person--a believer. God may lead you to seek counseling. We need each other to help expose the lies of the devil.

Nell

[I tell the truth]

I unfortunately, have considered this many times. The LC teachings continuously pound so hard that yourself, flesh, etc are greater enemies than even Satan. Even though they contradict and say Satan is in your members. I look back at my dark times and see that I was stupid and religious to allow things to keep going. However, you're told not to try to jump out of the fire which is God's dealing or else He will just come up with something else to hit you with and arrange your situation and environment to do so.

When saints suffer they categorize it as either God's dealing stripping away or sovereignty and judgement discipline. Depending on the two the saints will either temporarily care for you and pray or ignore you and believe you deserve it. I have to include this that Ron, I believe he was quoting Lee said while we're in the midst of this we need to pray to God that He allow Himself to allow us to allow Him to defeat us.

Touching on the matter of mental disorders I have seen quite a few saints committ suicide. The ones that didn't committ suicide unfortunately accidentally died. I have seen in the ministry where it says you don't need medical professional help but then flip flopping on that you do. But, then coworkers are so quick to call many FTTAs mental cases because they have concepts and hold them throughout the training. To be honest with you, many saints are considered mental cases by other saints for the slightest thing and if they're not praying hard at prayer meetings or singing and giving testimonies in Sunday.

[Ohio]

What delivered me from the Recovery “hook” was seeing the corruption surrounding Philip Lee and WL’s coverup. What helped me “detox” from all the “leaven” of Née, Lee, and the Blendeds was all the discussions from ex-members on this site.

Shortly after I left, one of my closest friends in the LC tragically took his own life. Beautiful family. How could this happen, if we were God’s best, His faithful, His testimony, His bride????

At the funeral I talked to an LC leader from Cleveland. How could this happen? The local church life in every place was being rocked by division and infighting due to “the quarantine.” His repeated response, “no church bears no responsibility.”

Sure, we can’t blame the church for one man’s failure, but… If we give some ministry all the glory for the good, do not they bear any responsibility for the bad? But there was zero accountability to be found anywhere. Only excuses for the tragedies.

Hello,
I believe that there many people in the local church who bear full responsibility for the death and destruction that they are causing. All of the main cabal members that run this whole operation have a lot of blood on their hands. Don’t think for once that it’s just a few people. The true converts, the fully blended, the overzealous spiritually drunk blind man and women, that will stop at nothing to make sure that you stay the course of their spiritual trap and curse, all bear full responsibility even for a single soul that’s been affected. Don’t take them of the hook, and don’t give them a way out by saying Gods delegated authority makes no mistakes or has a right to exercise this kind of spiritual debauchery.

Bible can be used as a weapon for destruction rather than a means to instill and bring forth life. When dogs like Lee and Nee, weaponize the Bible, weaponize your faith against your own self and humanity, it will lead to ruined generations and destroyed lives. You would not give a 3 year old an AR-15 and tell him it’s a water gun and let him out on the streets, nether should you give a Bible to men that have perverted minds and get a spiritual high from seeing people be “dealt with” according to their own wicked heart desires. Nothing to do with God, nothing to do with church, nothing to do with seeing lives and people restored and changed. There have been many quotes posted here by both of those man, that speak to what gives them this very abnormal fulfillment, and I’m sure that anyone that was at one time part of this group had personal experience that will speak to this issue.

God will settle a score one day, and while there isn’t a whole lot that a single voice can do to sound the alarms and cause changes, it will take a bunch more people with their stories and showing their faces to expose these men for who they are. When the cancer starts to develop within the body, sometimes it takes awhile for it to be exposed, dealt with, and eliminated. It takes a lot of nearby organs and adjacent areas to start screaming in pain so that you go out and seek help. Looks like we are not there yet, although the affected areas are already dying out.

[JJ]

Don’t walk, run from The Local Churches cult, and run right to Jesus Christ himself, our Lord and savior.

He is the way, the truth, and the life.

JJ