Recovery Bible = Corrupted Word Of God!

[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by Trapped

*shrug*

These seem mostly to be Greek text issues. The variety among some of the Greek texts is shown plainly here, using Galatians 6:15 as an example: https://biblehub.com/texts/galatians/6-15.htm

It doesn't seem to be much of a corruption so much as it is a choice of which texts to lean towards.

If you say all these differences you brought up are indicators that the Recovery Version is corrupted, you would also need to say that almost every other translation besides the KJV is similarly corrupted. In many of these examples, it's the KJV that's the unusual one from the majority of the rest.....not the RcV that's the unusual one.

And if you want to say that all other translations besides the KJV are "corrupted", then......this ends up being just as problematic as the LC top dogs who think that all other translations besides the RCV are "leaven".

Definitely not defending the RcV, but.....I don't feel like this particular "fight" has a lot of force behind it. There are other translations that genuinely lose critical aspects of the gospel message. I don't think the Recovery Version is really one of them. (speaking of the text itself here, not the footnotes)

As one of the "so many today" who questions whether Jesus is God, Ephesians 3:9 is not one of the problematic issues at all. There are other unadulterated verses that show God created through Jesus, so Jesus being part of the creation process is not lost by this "corruption" of Eph. 3:9.

Also......your preferred translation, which is "...in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ" does absolutely nothing to bolster the case that Jesus is God Himself. The sentence structure heavily supports the opposite - that Jesus is a separate being from God entirely.

This will probably be my only contribution to this thread.

Trapped

Thanks for your contribution Trapped. I made this thread fully aware that 98 out of 100 people will/don’t care or don’t think that it’s a big deal, why there is no continuity in the Bibles today. So its for information only type thread. I met people and know people, that know nothing about this issue, besides RV, and their spin on it. I’ll just continue to post things as I go along and find very noticeable differences, and will let people make their own decisions and conclusions.

Thanks

BTW, I won’t be getting into the discussion on the position that you have on “Jesus is God Himself, as a separate being”, so, I’ll just leave it at that. I’m sure there has probably been a thread here about that before.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

Thanks for your contribution Trapped. I made this thread fully aware that 98 out of 100 people will/don’t care or don’t think that it’s a big deal, why there is no continuity in the Bibles today. So its for information only type thread. I met people and know people, that know nothing about this issue, besides RV, and their spin on it. I’ll just continue to post things as I go along and find very noticeable differences, and will let people make their own decisions and conclusions.

Thanks

BTW, I won’t be getting into the discussion on the position that you have on “Jesus is God Himself, as a separate being”, so, I’ll just leave it at that. I’m sure there has probably been a thread here about that before.

Absolutely. I am sure something positive will come from the thread.

Yes, there is a thread titled "Is God a Trinity?" where Jesus being or not being God is discussed. I confine, or at least try to, my arguments/discussion on that topic to that thread only since my viewpoint is not a common viewpoint and I don't want to be a nuisance to people about it. On this thread of yours, I mostly wanted to clarify that there are indeed other verses that show God created through Jesus....1 Corinthians 8:6 for one.....so thankfully the message is not entirely lost with the translation discrepancy you brought up regarding Ephesians 3:9.

Trapped

[Nell]

Whenever the Recovery Version is discussed, I think about who did the original translation. There was a team, headed by John Ingalls. When it was first printed, John was given credit for his work. Now, I’m told, in later printed copies, John’s name no longer appears.

John’s contribution is the only reason I give this version any veracity at all. I don’t know how much John contributed to the footnotes, but there is a lengthy discussion on this forum on the footnotes.

The publisher can remove John’s name, but cannot remove his contribution to the project. It is intellectually dishonest for LSM to withdraw credit where credit is due. So, this translation begins with a false flag. Not a good thing.

I believe John (deceased) was an honorable man…a faithful servant. He was true to his word. I heard him share in a message he shared in Dallas in the early days that even if Witness Lee were to abandon “this way”, he would not.

When John confronted Lee with the “sin in the camp”, and the events that followed, he was faithful to the truth (facts) of the matters. I think he believed that Lee had left “the way”, but he (John) remained faithful by leaving. That’s when John’s name was removed from the RV.

Nell

[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by Nell

Whenever the Recovery Version is discussed, I think about who did the original translation. There was a team, headed by John Ingalls. When it was first printed, John was given credit for his work. Now, I’m told, in later printed copies, John’s name no longer appears.

John’s contribution is the only reason I give this version any veracity at all. I don’t know how much John contributed to the footnotes, but there is a lengthy discussion on this forum on the footnotes.

The publisher can remove John’s name, but cannot remove his contribution to the project. It is intellectually dishonest for LSM to withdraw credit where credit is due. So, this translation begins with a false flag. Not a good thing.

I believe John (deceased) was an honorable man…a faithful servant. He was true to his word. I heard him share in a message he shared in Dallas in the early days that even if Witness Lee were to abandon “this way”, he would not.

When John confronted Lee with the “sin in the camp”, and the events that followed, he was faithful to the truth (facts) of the matters. I think he believed that Lee had left “the way”, but he (John) remained faithful by leaving. That’s when John’s name was removed from the RV.

Nell

Nell,

I appreciate you chiming in on this. I was in LC from 2009 - early 2020. I never heard his name mentioned once. Although after leaving, I’ve seen it here and there, but know nothing about him or his background to say one way or another. He is probably on some black list in DCP, so they scrubbed it from all records. Just a SOP for “gods deligated authority”.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

Nell,

I appreciate you chiming in on this. I was in LC from 2009 - early 2020. I never heard his name mentioned once. Although after leaving, I’ve seen it here and there, but know nothing about him or his background to say one way or another. He is probably on some black list in DCP, so they scrubbed it from all records. Just a SOP for “gods deligated authority”.

Thanks Paul. John wrote his account of "what happened" in Speaking the Truth in Love. It's definitely worth the read and will give you an idea of John's character.

Nell

[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by Nell

Thanks Paul. John wrote his account of "what happened" in Speaking the Truth in Love. It's definitely worth the read and will give you an idea of John's character.

Nell

Thanks Nell,
I’ll check it out.

[Paul Vusik]

This is just a bit of comedy in relation to how RV translated some things.
In Isaiah 14:12, the KJV calls satan Lucifer as it should. However RV crew, change it to Daystar.
KJV text:
12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations

RV text.
12. How you have fallen from heaven, O Daystar, son of the dawn! How you have been hewn down to earth, You who made nations fall prostrate!


First thing that I remembered when I saw “Daystar”, was the Daystar Motorhome Inc. that I read about a while back. Way to choose a name for your “business”. No wonder that thing was “cut down” for the scam that it was to begin with.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

Whenever the Recovery Version is discussed, I think about who did the original translation. There was a team, headed by John Ingalls. When it was first printed, John was given credit for his work. Now, I’m told, in later printed copies, John’s name no longer appears.

John’s contribution is the only reason I give this version any veracity at all. I don’t know how much John contributed to the footnotes, but there is a lengthy discussion on this forum on the footnotes.

The publisher can remove John’s name, but cannot remove his contribution to the project. It is intellectually dishonest for LSM to withdraw credit where credit is due. So, this translation begins with a false flag. Not a good thing.

I believe John (deceased) was an honorable man…a faithful servant. He was true to his word. I heard him share in a message he shared in Dallas in the early days that even if Witness Lee were to abandon “this way”, he would not.

When John confronted Lee with the “sin in the camp”, and the events that followed, he was faithful to the truth (facts) of the matters. I think he believed that Lee had left “the way”, but he (John) remained faithful by leaving. That’s when John’s name was removed from the RV.

Nell

Nell, you are correct.

Both John Ingalls, Al Knoch, and Bill Duane, the original team, were honorable men who invested years of study into the original RecVersion using the American Standard Version 1901 as a translating guide and the Nestle Aland Greek Text as the source. When Ingalls exposed Philip Lee for corrupting the LSM Office, see his book “Speaking The Truth In Love, WL turned over all the RecV translation work to Kerry Robichaux’s newly formed team. Their revised RecVersion is now published, and all references to Ingalls et.al. have been expunged. Part of that team merely extracted writings from other WL books to compile the footnotes.