Jesus Christ = “The tree of Life”, where is that in the Bible???

Bible-believer · 02-17-2022, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OBW

Paul V,

Seems to be a variation on John 3:16. And we fail to understand one word in both. We keep reading it in the King James as "believeth." And I think that we miss that in today's language, this is "believes." And "believes" is a term of the present, not the past. So the question that arises is "where is the point at which belief matters?" Listening to your statements, it would seem that it is "anytime," even if that time is not "now."

My understanding is the "present time" means this dispensation- the Church Age.
Salvation plans are not all the same. In the Old Testament(after the fall), both belief and works are involved. In the Church Age, saved by grace through faith. After the Church Age, another gospel, the everlasting gospel, is preached by an angel during the Tribulation. (Rev.14:6-7)

Timotheist · 02-18-2022, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bible-believer

Salvation plans are not all the same. In the Old Testament(after the fall), both belief and works are involved. (Rev.14:6-7)

See the verses I just cited. We also will be judged based on belief and works.

Bible-believer · 02-18-2022, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Timotheist

See the verses I just cited. We also will be judged based on belief and works.

Salvation is salvation; judgment is judgment.

UntoHim · 02-18-2022, 06:20 AM

You guys are getting off the beaten path. Not sure if there is an existing thread that covers these matters, but maybe one of you could dig it up.
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Paul Vusik · 02-18-2022, 09:05 AM

I think that based on all comments and posts here, I can sum up this thread in the following terms:
1. There isn’t a single verse in the Bible that equates Jesus as a “tree of life”. None was presented here, as expected.
2. There isn’t a single mention in the Bible regarding “God putting man in front of the “tree of life”.
3. There isn’t a single mention about God instructing man to eat of “the tree of life”
4. All that TLR calls “recovered truths”, regarding this matter, is just another made up nonsense. Trying to fit their theology into the Bible, rather than letting the Bible tell the story.
5. The Gospel message doesn’t include “the tree of life”, or any association with it.
6. New covenant is by faith, not of works, and definitely not of the “tree of life”, but JESUS CHRIST ALONE!
7. Lastly, all of the books, messages, conferences, HWMRs, regarding this matter of the “tree of life”, are just a typical ploy sold by TLR, to keep people busy and occupy them with made up nonsense, and get them off the Word of God! Keep them coming back for the next updates on the “recovered truths”. (I’m guessing that the bunker where they recovering them from is pretty shallow, since they just have to keep making stuff up to keep it going).

I don’t see a point of having any further discussion regarding the main topic of this thread, so moderator, you are welcome to close this thing down, since like you stated “we’re getting off the beaten path”. Further discussion about salvation and sanctification can be done in ether existing threads or up to anyone I guess to bring up that topic for discussion.

Trapped · 02-18-2022, 10:36 AM

Can I make a request that the thread not be closed down? I've noticed this more recently, when people get their questions answered, the thread is sometimes closed. But this means that future guests and registered posters can not ever comment on the thread.

I know reddit does this....at a certain point a thread is locked and cannot be commented on further, but in the past I have only seen that on this forum for threads that have blown up so terribly the only recourse is to prevent anyone from commenting further. That's not this case at all.

Of course, Paul as the OP can certainly ask for the thread to be closed.....I'm just hoping to put my $0.02 about that topic for consideration in case it could be left open instead.

Trapped

Ohio · 02-18-2022, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

I think that based on all comments and posts here, I can sum up this thread in the following terms:
1. There isn’t a single verse in the Bible that equates Jesus as a “tree of life”. None was presented here, as expected.

Huh? I provided the verse right away.

Timotheist · 02-18-2022, 01:20 PM

Revelation 22:1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,
2 On either side of the river was the tree of life,
(Rev*22:1-2*NAU)

OK I think I get it. Jesus said He was living water, but He did not say He was the tree of life.

If I have the privilege of being offered this fruit, I will have to remind myself that I am eating something other than Christ, and just stick to drinking the water.

But seriously folks. herein lies the answer to Paul's question. The water of life is free for all, without cost. Unconditional.

But access to the Tree of Life has conditions. It is not an automatic reward. So when the focus is on redemption, Jesus did not explicitly refer to Himself as the TOL.

But when it comes to judgement, the TOL is a reward.

02-18-2022, 06:20 AM	#4
UntoHim Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον For God So Loved The World Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,828	Re: Jesus Christ = “The tree of Life”, where is that in the Bible??? You guys are getting off the beaten path. Not sure if there is an existing thread that covers these matters, but maybe one of you could dig it up. - __________________ αὐτῷ ἡ δόξα καὶ τὸ κράτος εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων ἀμήν - 1 Peter 5:11

02-18-2022, 09:05 AM	#5
Paul Vusik Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 196	Re: Jesus Christ = “The tree of Life”, where is that in the Bible??? I think that based on all comments and posts here, I can sum up this thread in the following terms: 1. There isn’t a single verse in the Bible that equates Jesus as a “tree of life”. None was presented here, as expected. 2. There isn’t a single mention in the Bible regarding “God putting man in front of the “tree of life”. 3. There isn’t a single mention about God instructing man to eat of “the tree of life” 4. All that TLR calls “recovered truths”, regarding this matter, is just another made up nonsense. Trying to fit their theology into the Bible, rather than letting the Bible tell the story. 5. The Gospel message doesn’t include “the tree of life”, or any association with it. 6. New covenant is by faith, not of works, and definitely not of the “tree of life”, but JESUS CHRIST ALONE! 7. Lastly, all of the books, messages, conferences, HWMRs, regarding this matter of the “tree of life”, are just a typical ploy sold by TLR, to keep people busy and occupy them with made up nonsense, and get them off the Word of God! Keep them coming back for the next updates on the “recovered truths”. (I’m guessing that the bunker where they recovering them from is pretty shallow, since they just have to keep making stuff up to keep it going). I don’t see a point of having any further discussion regarding the main topic of this thread, so moderator, you are welcome to close this thing down, since like you stated “we’re getting off the beaten path”. Further discussion about salvation and sanctification can be done in ether existing threads or up to anyone I guess to bring up that topic for discussion. __________________ “You never know how much you really believe anything until its truth or falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you.” ― C.S. Lewis

02-18-2022, 10:36 AM	#6
Trapped Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 1,523	Re: Jesus Christ = “The tree of Life”, where is that in the Bible??? Can I make a request that the thread not be closed down? I've noticed this more recently, when people get their questions answered, the thread is sometimes closed. But this means that future guests and registered posters can not ever comment on the thread. I know reddit does this....at a certain point a thread is locked and cannot be commented on further, but in the past I have only seen that on this forum for threads that have blown up so terribly the only recourse is to prevent anyone from commenting further. That's not this case at all. Of course, Paul as the OP can certainly ask for the thread to be closed.....I'm just hoping to put my $0.02 about that topic for consideration in case it could be left open instead. Trapped

02-18-2022, 01:20 PM	#8
Timotheist Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 424	Re: Jesus Christ = “The tree of Life”, where is that in the Bible??? Revelation 22:1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2 On either side of the river was the tree of life, (Rev22:1-2NAU) OK I think I get it. Jesus said He was living water, but He did not say He was the tree of life. If I have the privilege of being offered this fruit, I will have to remind myself that I am eating something other than Christ, and just stick to drinking the water. But seriously folks. herein lies the answer to Paul's question. The water of life is free for all, without cost. Unconditional. But access to the Tree of Life has conditions. It is not an automatic reward. So when the focus is on redemption, Jesus did not explicitly refer to Himself as the TOL. But when it comes to judgement, the TOL is a reward.