Online Bible Classes by Titus Chu Ministry

Originally Posted by Ohio

Obviously your biased views of the Recovery have been shaped by one-sided indoctrinating propaganda regularly published by LSM, and you have never taken the time to fairly evaluate the true facts of history.

Comments like this do not encourage discussion.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Comments like this do not encourage discussion.

Unregistered,

Let me encourage you to please go ahead and register for an account on the forum and jump in.

Most of the members have a pretty thick skin. This is exactly the kind of discussions we engage in ... more often than not!

Nell

Originally Posted by Nell

Unregistered,

Let me encourage you to please go ahead and register for an account on the forum and jump in.

Most of the members have a pretty thick skin. This is exactly the kind of discussions we engage in ... more often than not!

Nell

You mean the kind of discussion where the intelligence of the guest is questioned?

I assume when you say most of the members have thick skins you are excluding the penultimate poster. We had an apt description for this type of bully in my youth.

He can sure dish it out but he can’t take it.

This forum is dying, and the self- proclaimed “living” poster is one of the killers.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You mean the kind of discussion where the intelligence of the guest is questioned?

I assume when you say most of the members have thick skins you are excluding the penultimate poster. We had an apt description for this type of bully in my youth...

No. Of course not. Please read our Mission Statement and Rules.

If you have a specific registered Member in mind, please tell us who you are talking about...other than the "last poster"..."penultimate" which I assume you mean to be Ohio who simply asked legitimate questions.

We can't do much about unregistered posters, especially when there are several different people posting as "unregistered".

Help us out here. Who is bullying you?

And again, please register for forum membership.

Nell
Admin

[aron]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You mean the kind of discussion where the intelligence of the guest is questioned?

The comment that I saw, said there was bias, as the respondent was conditioned to think only one way by incessant propaganda, and that the respondent hadn't taken the time to consider other views, or the 'true facts of history' as he called them.

That was what I saw. A bit brusque but hardly bullying. And the point is there, to be considered. Jesus taught, "As you do to others, so will be done to you." If you want others to hear you, you must first listen to them. That goes for every poster, on each side of a viewpoint. Certainly for myself, as well. And yes for Ohio.

At times I've called the LC members "thoughtless" or "unthinking" but hardly unintelligent. They are conditioned not to think. We had a slogan when I was in the LC - "Don't think, drink". In other words, don't analyze, just yell repetitively whatever the catchphrase was circulating that day.

Let me give a few examples. In the Psalms, one footnote will say that an imprecation is "Christ defeating Satan" and another footnote will say that the psalmist is being natural, that we are supposed to love one another.

(And then what of David, throwing a stone at Goliath? Why didn't David love and forgive Goliath? Or Samuel with Agag?)

Jesus taught, "David was in spirit, writing of me", and this is corroborated by Peter's use of Psalms on Pentecost in front of the crowd. Where does Peter or Jesus reference David being in his fallen human concept? Where is the NT precedent? How could a minister of the Word teach so erratically and nobody questioned it? I can only surmise that is because they were conditioned into unthinking status.

At times I've been callous in my remarks, and used disrespectful characterizations of others' views, and I've usually apologized after. I didn't mean to be rude - but publicly wondered, how could so many otherwise intelligent people sit there during literally thousands of training sessions and never call out the questionable teachings?

Another example - how could Watchman Nee have a library of 3,000 "christian classics" according to Lee's biography, and then we were told to limit ourselves to "one publication" to avoid confusion? How could WN avoid confusion with such a wide variety of non-MOTA works? There is this clear implication of, "WN could do it because he was special but you can't". Is this not being respecters of persons?

Why don't any of these otherwise intelligent people ask any of these obvious questions? I could go on, and have, but I never see the LC members try to defend these questions. Instead I see complaints of bullying. To me, it looks like avoidance.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This forum is dying, and the self- proclaimed “living” poster is one of the killers.

All of us are responsible for the conversation. All of us. Myself included. The Teacher said, "Blessed are the peacemakers." I've been rough in my writing, often, and have apologized, often, and am willing to forgive others. There is one God, one Lord, one Saviour. We have to figure it out.

As far as Titus Chu, I don't doubt there is some pride and ambition and division. But most of us suffer from that. It's a common human ailment. Certainly Witness Lee did. Watchman Nee did. Dong Yu Lan did. RK and RG and EM and BP did, I sat in their meetings. A kind of spiritual loftiness, where they could say things about the rank-and-file gathered before them, but none of the rank-and-file could speak up.

I saw EM give a conference once, and questioned an attendee about his marriage in front of us all. The man's wife had just left him. His face turned bright red, but he said not a word. He was being 'perfected.' He'd learned not to be 'ambitious' or 'divisive' or 'proud'. You just have to sit there, and take it. To me, that's why there's no questioning. That's why there's very little evidence of thinking. It's not due to lack of intelligence.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You mean the kind of discussion where the intelligence of the guest is questioned?

I assume when you say most of the members have thick skins you are excluding the penultimate poster. We had an apt description for this type of bully in my youth.

He can sure dish it out but he can’t take it.

This forum is dying, and the self- proclaimed “living” poster is one of the killers.

Unregistered,

If this is your first time participating - welcome. I share the others' encouragement that you would register. We've had several "unregistered's" recently and it does make it easier to know who is who.

However, I don't think a new poster or a guest on this forum should have to have thick skin in order to participate. I agree with you that a discouraging number of times the responses on this forum tend towards ways that don't encourage real open discussion. (I have no one in mind when I say that). I've pulled back as a result myself. And if I'm being honest, I have been guilty of responding in ways that don't encourage discussion too.......and that's my bad.

If you are willing to try, I don't think it's too late on this thread for a beneficial discussion to be had.

I started to write something to get going, but then I realized that I don't know if you are the same unregistered who wrote post #5, or if you are an separate unregistered reading along who piped up for the first time afterwards. It would also be helpful to know a little of your background (without giving your identity away). For example, have you been reading on this forum for a while and already know what has been written about Titus Chu here or about some of the things the local churches do to smear anyone who simply does not agree with their teachings and wants to part ways with them? Or is all that you've heard only what is said from within the local church? Admittedly, what was written in post #5 does sound exactly like the "party line" from the co-workers about him......but it's hard to know where to start. Is there anywhere you'd like to start?

For example, there are a bunch of assumptions in post #5......e.g. that "doing your own work" is a bad thing......that doing so means you are "lost" or not "one with other brothers". It's noteworthy that the "seven ones" in Ephesians does not include "one work".

However, there is also some truth in post #5......that Titus had his own problems. There's probably much to discuss if participants are willing to remember there are flesh and blood human beings on the other side of the monitor.

Trapped

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered #1

TC had some ability and gift to speak and teach, but he also had too much ambition and pride and wanted to be a leader and do his own work, that is why he got lost and could not remain one with other brothers. What TC does is right, in his own eyes, and he justifies doing what he is doing by stating that others are the problem. I see ambition and pride as his divisive pitfall. He and his work are a negative pattern for us to learn from, just as other types in the Bible are written for our admonition. Titus can deal with the Lord at the judgement seat, just like all of us, because only the Lord knows all the hidden motives and smaller facts.

Originally Posted by Unregistered #2

I assume when you say most of the members have thick skins you are excluding the penultimate poster. We had an apt description for this type of bully in my youth.

He can sure dish it out but he can’t take it.

The Unregistered #2 poster sure is right about that Unregistered #1 poster.

"He sure can dish it out, but can’t take it," as one of them so wisely informed us.

I numbered all of the scathing condemnations from Unregistered #1 about Titus Chu:

1. Too much ambition
2. Too much pride
3. Wanted to be a leader
4. Wanted to do his own work
5. He got lost
6. He could not be one with other brothers
7. He is right in his own eyes
8. He justifies doing what he is doing by stating that others are the problem.
9. I see ambition and pride as his divisive pitfall.
10. He and his work are a negative pattern for us to learn from, just as other types in the Bible are written for our admonition.

Titus can deal with the Lord at the judgement seat, just like all of us, because only the Lord knows all the hidden motives and smaller facts.

It sounds to me like this Unregistered #1 poster actually knows "all the hidden motives" of TC. Perhaps all that "god-man talk" from LSM is true, and this poster can actually "know the heart" of TC just like the Lord Himself. At the judgment seat, I'm sure the Lord will consult with our beloved and nameless Unregistered #1 poster for advice.

For everyone that has been helped by this forum, God bless you. I fear you are vastly outnumbered by those who have been hurt.

I will not be registering.

[UntoHim]

The "Unregistered" guest poster (author of post #8 and #11) has indicated that they will not be registering, and therefore has now forfeited his/her privilege of posting further on the forum.
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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

The "Unregistered" guest poster (author of post #8 and #11) has indicated that they will not be registering, and therefore has now forfeited his/her privilege of posting further on the forum.
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Thanks. Their choice.

One thing I learned in the Recovery is that I never had to be accountable for the times I condemned all those outside of the “program.” I heard that done reflexively, without consideration, for decades, from the “throne” in Anaheim.

I have since then reconsidered and changed that position, but I will call out others for this bad habit.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Comments like this do not encourage discussion.

Are you the same "unregistered" person as the two other "unregistered" persons on this thread?

If persons on an open forum wanted to actually "encourage discussion," I would think these persons would identify with their remarks, so that others could respond to their remarks, i.e. a "discussion." Hence, Local Church Discussions.