Does anyone one know …

[HERn]

… the history and author of Hymn number 1103 “What He Is?”

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by HERn

… the history and author of Hymn number 1103 “What He Is?”

Nope! Some googling came up with nothing helpful.

There might be versions of the Hymns book that have the author information in them -- maybe the kind that has the musical score? I can't recall. If someone on this forum still has one of those kind and can check maybe you can get at least an author.

Not sure what to do about the lyrics in the first stanza though:

What He is: He’s the Father.
He’s the everlasting Father.
He’s the firstborn of creation.
He’s the One who lives inside of me.
He’s the Father! Wonderful!

The Father is the firstborn of creation?? I don't know about that.....

Trapped


P.S. Also, did you mean to post this in the church kid forum?

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Nope! Some googling came up with nothing helpful.

There might be versions of the Hymns book that have the author information in them -- maybe the kind that has the musical score? I can't recall. If someone on this forum still has one of those kind and can check maybe you can get at least an author.

Not sure what to do about the lyrics in the first stanza though:

What He is: He’s the Father.
He’s the everlasting Father.
He’s the firstborn of creation.
He’s the One who lives inside of me.
He’s the Father! Wonderful!

The Father is the firstborn of creation?? I don't know about that.....

Trapped


P.S. Also, did you mean to post this in the church kid forum?

Hi Trapped,

No I did not mean to post it here. I went to the link where it said click here to start a new tread and then I was in the Church Kids section? Maybe Nell can move it to where it best belongs? Maybe we need a blinking neon sign that says click here to start a general new thread? I didn’t want to put the new thread in the personal testimony section, so I dropped down to the second section and ended up in the Church Kids section! I’m really not a Luddite!! (I hope?). Good question: I wonder if our God is big enough to be the Father, to be the Son, and to be the Holy Spirit? (Apologies to J.B. Phillips. “Your God is too Small”.)


P.S. Also, did you mean to post this in the church kid forum?[/QUOTE]

Hi Trapped,

No I did not mean to post it here. I went to the link where it said click here to start a new tread and then I was in the Church Kids section? Maybe Nell can move it to where it best belongs? Maybe we need a blinking neon sign that says click here to start a general new thread? I didn’t want to put the new thread in the personal testimony section, so I dropped down to the second section and ended up in the Church Kids section! I’m really not a Luddite!! (I hope?). Good question: I wonder if our God is big enough to be the Father, to be the Son, and to be the Holy Spirit? (Apologies to J.B. Phillips. “Your God is too Small”.)

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by HERn

I’m really not a Luddite!! (I hope?).

I learned a new word today! I don't think you're a Luddite!

Originally Posted by HERn

Good question: I wonder if our God is big enough to be the Father, to be the Son, and to be the Holy Spirit?

I'm not so much asking if God is big enough to be all three, as I am asking if anyone actually thinks that the Father is "firstborn of creation".

The Son? Absolutely.

But God the Father is firstborn of creation? I genuinely do not see that anywhere in the Bible. That breaks down the entire meaning of what "God" is. God the Father is never "of creation" and is never "born", ever. The Son is, but the Father is not.

In other words, I'm not asking this question out of my unpopular perspective on the Trinity. I don't bring that to other threads besides the "Is God a Trinity" thread because it's not my intention to constantly hound people about it everywhere I can. I'm asking.....from the perspective of a standard Trinity belief, I don't know that anyone says "the Father is the firstborn of creation".

So I'm kind of curious now to find out if this hymn originated from within the LC (and thus shows the confusion of the persons of the Trinity like Lee sometimes did....i.e. "the Son is the Father") or if this was written by someone outside the LC.

Trapped

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Trapped

I learned a new word today! I don't think you're a Luddite!



I'm not so much asking if God is big enough to be all three, as I am asking if anyone actually thinks that the Father is "firstborn of creation".

The Son? Absolutely.

But God the Father is firstborn of creation? I genuinely do not see that anywhere in the Bible. That breaks down the entire meaning of what "God" is. God the Father is never "of creation" and is never "born", ever. The Son is, but the Father is not.

In other words, I'm not asking this question out of my unpopular perspective on the Trinity. I don't bring that to other threads besides the "Is God a Trinity" thread because it's not my intention to constantly hound people about it everywhere I can. I'm asking.....from the perspective of a standard Trinity belief, I don't know that anyone says "the Father is the firstborn of creation".

So I'm kind of curious now to find out if this hymn originated from within the LC (and thus shows the confusion of the persons of the Trinity like Lee sometimes did....i.e. "the Son is the Father") or if this was written by someone outside the LC.

Trapped

My thinking is that it was written by someone other than John Ingles (spelling)?

But, I wonder if a version was written by John Ingles and later edited by Lee-it’s?

If you get steamed by the first verse, you’ll blow a head gasket on the last couple of verses where the writer claims that “What He is is the Body”, referring to the heretical 4 in 1 doctrine of God.

[HERn]

Here’s a link just in case anyone is interested in perusing “Your God is too Small” by JB Phillips.

https://thecommonlife.com/files/book..._Too_Small.pdf