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[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Be glad to. Where was that post with their apology?

As Christians, we’re supoosed to forgive everyone even if they don’t apologize.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

As Christians, we’re supoosed to forgive everyone even if they don’t apologize.

That's the standard, but without Christ's life in us and living through us, genuine forgiveness is pretty much impossible.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

As Christians, we’re supoosed to forgive everyone even if they don’t apologize.

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

That's the standard, but without Christ's life in us and living through us, genuine forgiveness is pretty much impossible.

Wait, wait, wait, where does the Bible say "you have to forgive no matter what" (which is what "no apology" implies)?

Jesus says forgive 70x7 "if they repent":

Luke 17:3
So watch yourselves. "If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them.

Jesus says in Matthew 18 that if you have a problem with someone, go talk to them. If they don't "hear" (i.e. repent) He doesn't say "you have to forgive them". He says to ratchet it up and bring more people, and then tell the church, and then treat them as unbelievers if they don't repent. He never says "forgive no matter what".

Forgiveness is always predicated on repentance. That's how God forgives us in Christ (when we acknowledge our sins and repent of them).

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Wait, wait, wait, where does the Bible say "you have to forgive no matter what" (which is what "no apology" implies)?

Jesus says forgive 70x7 "if they repent":

Luke 17:3
So watch yourselves. "If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them.

Jesus says in Matthew 18 that if you have a problem with someone, go talk to them. If they don't "hear" (i.e. repent) He doesn't say "you have to forgive them". He says to ratchet it up and bring more people, and then tell the church, and then treat them as unbelievers if they don't repent. He never says "forgive no matter what".

Forgiveness is always predicated on repentance. That's how God forgives us in Christ (when we acknowledge our sins and repent of them).

Brother Trapped, aren't you combining two gospels to form one of your own? :

Mat 18:21* Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?*
Mat 18:22* Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.*

It says nothing about repentance.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by awareness

Brother Trapped, aren't you combining two gospels to form one of your own?

Mat 18:21* Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?*
Mat 18:22* Jesus saith unto him, [COLOR=Red]I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.*

It says nothing about repentance.

What on earth do you mean about combining two gospels to form my own? I quoted directly from Luke. You're throwing out part of a gospel to create your own.

Luke 17:3-4
3 So watch yourselves.“If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent[/B], forgive them.
4 Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”

The parallel passage in Matthew does not have the phrase "and if they repent" but it immediately follows the passage I quoted in my post concerning "if they hear you", which is acknowledgement, godly sorrow, repentance.

Repentance is repeatedly the requirement for forgiveness.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Mark 1:4
And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Trapped

What on earth do you mean about combining two gospels to form my own? I quoted directly from Luke. You're throwing out part of a gospel to create your own.

Luke 17:3-4
3 So watch yourselves.“If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them.
4 Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”

The parallel passage in Matthew does not have the phrase "and if they repent" but it immediately follows the passage I quoted in my post concerning "if they hear you", which is acknowledgement, godly sorrow, repentance.

Repentance is repeatedly the requirement for forgiveness.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Mark 1:4
And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

awareness needs to repent for bearing false witness against his forum neighbor.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

awareness needs to repent for bearing false witness against his forum neighbor.

What happened to turning the other cheek when someone slaps you?
See thats why sometimes I feel the Bible is contradictory at times.

[awareness]

Trapped, seems you used MS Word to create your post, so responding to it turns into too much work. Click on "quote" on your post to see the mess.

But in your response I see you used 5 books to form your own book.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by awareness

Trapped, seems you used MS Word to create your post, so responding to it turns into too much work. Click on "quote" on your post to see the mess.

But in your response I see you used 5 books to form your own book.

I clicked quote and it looks perfectly normal to me. I expected to see weird formatting or code, but it's all normal.

Oh no! Repentance shows up in MULTIPLE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE as a precursor for forgiveness! How terrible of me to point it out!!


Edit to add: pardon the phrase here, but holy crap. On a hunch I opened it in a different browser (chrome versus firefox) and the mess showed up there. I deleted all the stuff, which I have no idea what it was. The code for formatting bold and italics, etc is still there (on firefox it doesn't show) but that should be handle-able. If you need to quote it, it should work now.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

That's the standard, but without Christ's life in us and living through us, genuine forgiveness is pretty much impossible.

Oh c'mon. Even atheists are able to forgive.