First Post kumbaya

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Drake

Think about it LofT. I have stated that EVERY place I have lived used xerox copies. You have agreed because you have seen it yourself. Therefore, what purpose would disclosing where I lived serve to add anything to your or my argument?

Drake

None of the 6 churches with which I am familiar use xerox copies of their Morning Revival. Xerox copies are used in the trainings one pays to attend.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Renee

None of the 6 churches with which I am familiar use xerox copies of their Morning Revival. Xerox copies are used in the trainings one pays to attend.

Drake is a wordsmith and only stated that every place he lived used Xerox copies. Never said Xerox copies of what. He is always factual, but may not be truthful. He is a window into the soul of LSM.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Drake is a wordsmith and only stated that every place he lived used Xerox copies. Never said Xerox copies of what. He is always factual, but may not be truthful. He is a window into the soul of LSM.

If the church owns a copy machine then it stands to reason they use copies. Doesn't mean they would make copies of LSM materials to distribute to the saints. Good catch.

[Intothewind]

Kumbaya,

Thanks so much for sharing and being brazen in questioning. It is upsetting to see major questions go unanswered.

You raise great points of talking to family. All ny immediate nuclear family are still very strong for the recovery indeed. So far as there belief system is concerned I'm damned but perhaps they are unaware of how far around my world view has flipped. I'm sure they pray for me, and I do still feel guilty.

I've had about the same level of success talking with my family as you have...and am out of ideas at this point.

[kumbaya]

Originally Posted by Intothewind

Kumbaya,

Thanks so much for sharing and being brazen in questioning. It is upsetting to see major questions go unanswered.

You raise great points of talking to family. All ny immediate nuclear family are still very strong for the recovery indeed. So far as there belief system is concerned I'm damned but perhaps they are unaware of how far around my world view has flipped. I'm sure they pray for me, and I do still feel guilty.

I've had about the same level of success talking with my family as you have...and am out of ideas at this point.

I'm sorry to hear that. Sometimes I feel like if they could just let their guard down for 5 minutes and get on this site, it would all come together for them. Or, in their eyes- all fall apart probably.

It's the getting 5 minutes of their guard down that's hard. I think the most important thing is that you have a relationship with them even if you don't agree right now. I have friends who grew up in the LC with me who have parents still in and in one situation, a parent of my friend doesn't even keep track of their grandkids ages. They are of sound mind, they just don't care. Their focus is on the people in the LC and LC only. They don't involve themselves in their kids/grandkids lives bc they don't go to the meetings anymore. Any time my friends sees her dad or her kids do, it's because SHE'S made the effort. Yet, they have college kids in their home at least once a week, probably more like 2-3 times a week. It's really hurtful to her. It's so sad but I'm honestly grateful my family isn't like that at all.

I just see what it could be with other people's situations so I would say that we are actually the lucky ones. I think keeping that relationship with them is the most important thing to me. I can't push too much - it's so hard though. It's just good to keep things in perspective- there a lot of disconnected families due to the LC. I think the extremeness of the LC lifestyle is shown so much when in comparison to other family members, it can be easier for them to just pull away than face it.

Anything you've tried that DIDN'T work you want to share? Also, what do you feel guilty about?