The Unique Move of God

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Drake

Close.... but no cigar!

Here is where you err.

It is irrelevant whether Witness Lee's name is even mentioned or the Living Stream Ministry materials are used for edification or not. Throwing that up in a discussion about the truth revealed in the Scriptures concerning the church and the churches is ignorance at best or the enemy's craft at worst.

Now Koinonia, if you agree with the biblical revelation as I have attempted to explain it then say it. If you don't then it is doubtful you will ever transcend an argument of semantics and it is pointless to reason with a contentious man.

But if you agree with the biblical revelation but you just disagree with the execution of it then say that too. I get that. We can discuss it.

Yet, it does not contribute one iota to anyone's edification for you to take my words and then twist them to say something I did not say nor believe. Believe me, I will tell you exactly what I mean to say and you will have plenty of material to object to. Let's agree where we do and where we don't we can engage in a vigorous exchange.

Thanks,
Drake

Drake, you have equated those not meeting with your group with Jews in New York who are not citizens of Israel. That is sectarian and ridiculous. "Citizenship" in the church is based upon belief into Christ, not participation in your group because you use the correct name.

[Drake]

Koinonia 'Drake, you have equated those not meeting with your group with Jews in New York who are not citizens of Israel'

No, I did not. Stop misrepresenting my position. Address my argument.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Koinonia: 'Drake, you have equated those not meeting with your group with Jews in New York who are not citizens of Israel'

No, I did not. Stop misrepresenting my position. Address my argument.

Drake, sure you did.

You equate Christians living in the denominations with Jews living in the nations.

You equate Jews in Israel with Christians who have the name "the church in ..."

Drake, your error is in wrongly believing that locality or geography is our ground of oneness, and not Christ Himself who is our real ground of oneness.

The same type of persuasive speech deluded the Colossians. We are rooted and grounded in Christ, not in some secular and worldly geographic boundaries, which can change with every passing war. (See 2.1-10)

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Drake

Koinonia 'Drake, you have equated those not meeting with your group with Jews in New York who are not citizens of Israel'

No, I did not. Stop misrepresenting my position. Address my argument.

I am. That is just what you said.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

I am. That is just what you said.

No.

Either you are unable or unwilling to engage in a meaningful dialogue.

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Drake

No.

Either you are unable or unwilling to engage in a meaningful dialogue.

Drake, the fact that I disagree with you does not mean the dialogue is not meaningful. Sorry.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Drake, the fact that I disagree with you does not mean the dialogue is not meaningful. Sorry.

Koinomia,

I have no objection with disagreement..... even vigorous disagreement. Disagreement is not an issue.

Dialogue became meaningless when you misrepresented my position.

Drake

[Drake]

ZNP "What he said was that if you are a Jew and you move to Israel, what is wrong with naming your country Israel? You are taking a stand as Israel, on the proper ground of Israel, why not call yourself Israel?"

Yes ZNP, you said that more succinctly than I did.

I'll address the points of your post 484 in a separate note.

Drake