In a local church only a few months... and now leaving.

I have always had an issue with the LC saying that it is the "movement of the age" and that WL is the "apostle of the age". There is no mention of some great prophet or apostle rising from the land of the dragon (China) in the last days to bring all Christians back into the "true form" of meeting in Scripture. Honestly, brethren, don't you think that the Lord would be sure to mention that this special apostle was coming so that we would not "miss the boat"? Would He not want all of His saints to partake? If this is the TRUE church meeting in the TRUE way, would He not say something to make us watch for it? I realize that they lay hold of Philadelphia and claim to be that church. However, is it not THEY who say (when it comes to receiving light from any Christian not dead and long gone) "we are rich and have need of nothing?" Not like Philadelphia--but Laodicea.

I simply have never been able to "overcome" the incredible audacity of someone getting to the "playground" last and declaring himself "king of the hill". I guess that this means that I am NOT an overcomer and never will be!

And regarding what Igzy shared (and I agree!) about being spiritual--I would only say that all that it takes to be "spiritual" is to be focusing on the Lord Jesus and God the Father with love. At that moment, we are spiritual. There is no recipe, no mantra, only looking into His Beautiful Face and loving Him as we go through each day.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have always had an issue with the LC saying that it is the "movement of the age" and that WL is the "apostle of the age". There is no mention of some great prophet or apostle rising from the land of the dragon (China) in the last days to bring all Christians back into the "true form" of meeting in Scripture. Honestly, brethren, don't you think that the Lord would be sure to mention that this special apostle was coming so that we would not "miss the boat"? Would He not want all of His saints to partake? If this is the TRUE church meeting in the TRUE way, would He not say something to make us watch for it?

Have you not read that Nee and Lee were prophesied in Revelation as the two witnesses, the two olive trees?

Originally Posted by Ohio

Have you not read that Nee and Lee were prophesied in Revelation as the two witnesses, the two olive trees?

Ohio. Where had you read? Prove it.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ohio. Where had you read? Prove it.

Sorry, you must have thought I was being serious.

I was only repeating something I heard years ago.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sorry, you must have thought I was being serious.

I was only repeating something I heard years ago.

The Living Streamers are smart enough not to print their more incendiary assertions. They don't want to leave a paper trail, to scare off the newbies.

But they'll say that kind of thing, privately, if you've demonstrated that you have "the vision". Then you'll get to hear Local Church secrets.

One of the things that attracted me to the church was the strong worship of Christ Our Lord. How many places can one actively call out the feelings of love and admiration that are being felt for Our Lord during a service without being considered outrageously out-of-line? I am very thankful for that aspect of the LC.

As time has gone on and continues to move forward, I cannot help but see how the LC has become more and more like the Catholic Church. The Catholics have always maintained that they are the true church and while they do admit now that the Lord has sheep in "other folds", they maintain their belief that they are the REAL church. I have attended Catholic services and cannot help but notice that Christ's name is mentioned a great deal, but it is mixed with the Marian doctrine (which is a tragedy) and an adoration of the church. The church, as the bride, should not speak of herself or glorify herself. Her focus, the desire of her heart, is always on the Bridegroom. I hear speaking after speaking in which the church (LC) is spoken of in glowing terms--as if she were worthy of a kind of worship. In the Bible church that I attended when young, this never occurred. Oh, someone might mention that they enjoyed the Youth group or that pastor so-and-so had led them to the Lord, but testimonies and speakings NEVER glorified the church, only the Father and Christ. The only other group of believers that I remember speaking of "the church" in this way were Catholics. I find it ironic that the LC who despises the Catholic Church for her erroneous teachings (and there are, indeed, many) has become like them in diversion of loyalty and worship to the bride from the Bridegroom.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The church, as the bride, should not speak of herself or glorify herself. Her focus, the desire of her heart, is always on the Bridegroom. I hear speaking after speaking in which the church (LC) is spoken of in glowing terms--as if she were worthy of a kind of worship.

If you go to the LSM training or conference, or read the written material, and the focus and attention is on "the church as the Body and Bride of Christ" you can see the focus shifting.

In the Lord's Table meeting there will be the perfunctory, "Father God we love You!" declaration, until the focus turns back to the "ministry", which is about "building the Body" and "consummating the New Jerusalem". The greatest commandment, to love God and love your neighbor as yourself, is relegated to lesser status.

And then a new phrase appears in the jargon: "for Christ and the church", which eventually just becomes "forchristandthechurch". So when you get married, don't fall in love with the soulmate given to you by God; rather, get married forchristandthechurch.

The irony is indeed striking that this movement eventually became a mirror not of Christ but of the RCC. Of all things.