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Apologetic discussions Apologetic Discussions Regarding the Teachings of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee |
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John 1:1-3 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. Colossians 1:16 For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. Hebrews 1:1-2 1 On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2 But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist. You speak of the Son of God and say "the Word, who is God, and is the Creator". But that's not accurate. The Bible says, repeatedly, God created everything in, through, and for the Son of God. All things came FROM God the Father, and we exist FOR God the Father. But all things came THROUGH Jesus, and we exist THROUGH Jesus. By collapsing distinctions you bring in confusion. Quote:
Notice that the Word being "with" God is stated twice. John 1:1-3 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. This is why I am bound to question what the right translation for "the Word was God" means, or if "God" there is different from the "God" the Word was with. Jesus Himself said He had glory WITH the Father before anything was created (John 17:5). Jesus didn't say He WAS God in glory, but that He was WITH God in glory. He was WITH God, like John 1 says. To me, this is why there has to be distinction between what "God" Jesus is and what "God" the Father God is. Otherwise we get "God became a man", when the Biblical record is actually: John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. God didn't become a man. The Son of God became a man. The Word, the SON of God, became flesh. Not God. God is the one who sent His Son. God is the one who sacrificed His Son for us. God did not send Himself. God gave His only begotten Son. Lee's ministry put God and the Son of God in a vice grip together and smushed them to the point where the necessary distinctions between the two were obliterated. And in so doing, Lee merrily skipped down the deviated path towards his self-created "four in one God". |
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