Negative Speaking

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Curious

I've just had an epiphany of sorts on this subject. To replace God's standard of good and evil, with instead, a standard that teaches getting a 'sense' of 'life' or 'death', is actual direct rebellion and throwing off of God's objective standard. This standard, the 10 commandments for a clear example, was delivered directly by Him, to expose us all as sinners, as none of us can attain it WL replaced that with a standard that is subject to corruption with no recourse to truth as God determines, or to repentance.

To be purely subjective may give liberty to the Holy Spirit, but also does not protect against the drivers and self deception of the carnal nature. In fact the very thing RJ warns against in his book.

WL, as ohio rightly points out, then filled the void with his own ultimate an non-biblical based standard of good and evil:

For some examples
Christianity, evil, LC, good
Personal opinion - evil. WL's opinion, good
Individuality - evil. Conformity, good.

And on and on it goes. And it will create conflict between people because it is subjective to each person's whims and desires, which will inevitably clash! They are no solution, each person a law unto themselves and their own subjective experience. God have mercy.

Yeah, and get this quote from Watchman Nee in "The Two Principles of Living":

Christianity does not have an outward good and an outward evil. It does not have a definite standard in place. I may choose something good and reject something evil today, but this is not Christianity. It is the Old Testament, the law, worldly religions, human morality, and human ethics, but it is not Christianity.

What is Christianity? Christianity is life. Christianity is not a matter of asking whether something is right or wrong. Christianity is a matter of checking with the life inside us whenever we do something. What does the new life which God has given us tell us inwardly about this matter? It is very strange that many people have only seen an outward standard, the standard of good and evil. But God has not given us an outward standard. Christianity is not a new set of Ten Commandments. In Christianity we have not been brought to a new Sinai, nor has God given us a new set of rules and regulations with "Thou shalt" and "Thou shalt not." Christianity does not require that we ask whether something is right or wrong, good or evil. On the contrary, whenever we do anything, there is a life within us which rises up to speak with us. When we feel right inwardly, when we feel the life inside of us moving, when we are strong within and sense the anointing, we know that we have life. Many times something is right and good in the eyes of man, but strangely the inner life has no response and grows cold and retreats.

Please remember, God's Word tells us that our Christian living is based on an inner life, not an outward standard of right and wrong. Many worldly people, who are not saved, live according to the best standard of living they can attain: the principle of right and wrong. If you or I also live by the principle of right or wrong, we are the same as worldly people. Christians are different from non-Christians because we do not live by an outward standard or law. Our subject is not human morality or concepts. We do not determine whether something is right or wrong by subjecting it to human criticism or opinion. Today we have only one question: What does our inner life say? If the life is strong and active within us, we can do this; if the life is cold and retreating within us, we should not. Our principle for living is inward instead of outward. This is the only real principle of living; the others are false. People may say that many things are right to do, and I may feel that to do them is right, but what does the sense of the inner life tell us? The inner life does not agree. If we were to do them, we would not be rewarded, and if we were not to do them, there should be no shame, because they are outside of us. We can only see what is really right when the Spirit of God operates within us. If we feel that there is life inwardly, then that matter is right. If we do not feel the inward life, then the matter is wrong. Right and wrong are not decided by an outward standard but by the inner life.

This kind of stuff makes me want to tear my hair out for how utterly off it is.

There is no outward standard in place? The 10 commandments are God's law, we have a conscience, right and wrong is written on our hearts. This is literally an outward standard, determined by God.

The Bible never speaks of "what the life inside tells us". It just doesn't. Nee and Lee very bizarrely separated the person from the life. No one in their right mind would say of their spouse, "let me check with my wife's life on that one and I'll get back to you."

Christianity is not a new set of 10 commandments? Of course it's not - the old set never went away!

Christians don't live by an outward standard and our subject is not human morality or law? Yeah....it's GOD'S morality and law. The ultimate standard outside of us that we are all responsible to!

Anyone turning inward to get their principles of living is a deceived person indeed.

If we feel there is life inwardly, then that matter is right????!!!!!! Excuse me? In other words, "if I feel good, then what I do is okay." Nee just created a subjective paradigm for morality. Each person is a law unto themselves, just like you said Curious!

Hmmm.....now, what kind of pure person would want to set up a system where they are not accountable to a standard outside of themselves, eh?