Perry and Palin tied to Dominion Movement

[zeek]

Rick Perry and Sarah Palin allegedly have close ties to a radical Christian movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation that practices exorcism of demons and practices "spiritual warfare" against other religions. The beliefs of this group are far more extreme than the evangelicalism epoused by George W. Bush. It is scary to think that either Palin or Perry could be elected President of the US given their extreme views. The movement's agenda is to achieve "dominion" over the arts, business, education, family, government, media, and religion.

Two ministries in the movement planned and orchestrated Texas Gov. Rick Perry's recent prayer rally, where apostles and prophets from around the nation spoke or appeared onstage. The event was patterned after The Call, held at locations around the globe and led by Lou Engle, who has served in the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders of the NAR. Other NAR apostles endorsed Perry's event, including two who lead a 50-state "prayer warrior" network. Thomas Muthee, the Kenyan pastor who anointed Sarah Palin at the Wasilla Assembly of God Church in 2005, while praying for Jesus to protect her from the spirit of witchcraft, is also part of this movement. Source: Fresh Air with Terry Gross

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/8/12/18559/6431

[Ohio]

You are worried about Dominionism, and we got a Muslim in the White House? Do you have any idea what "scary" really means? Sarah Palin has other issues, but these "extreme views" should be of little concern to conservative Christians.

I used to listen to Terry Gross of Fresh Air, until I so sick of her ramming her liberal bias down our throats.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You are worried about Dominionism, and we got a Muslim in the White House? Do you have any idea what "scary" really means? Sarah Palin has other issues, but these "extreme views" should be of little concern to conservative Christians.

I used to listen to Terry Gross of Fresh Air, until I so sick of her ramming her liberal bias down our throats.

Obama is a professing Christian just like you. Do you have some reliable evidence to prove otherwise? What if he was a muslim? Are we having a clash of civilizations with them? Wasn't the killing of Osama Bin Laden under Obama's direction enough for you?

If the reports are true, these folks do not believe in religious freedom. They drive stakes into the grounds of mosques and Masonic Temples in order to bring down the principalities and powers that control these religions. It sounds more extreme then Witness Lee and the Local Churches to me.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Obama is a professing Christian just like you. Do you have some reliable evidence to prove otherwise? What if he was a muslim? Are we having a clash of civilizations with them? Wasn't the killing of Osama Bin Laden under Obama's direction enough for you?

Obama is a not a professing Christian like me. The killing of Osama Bin Hiding did nothing for Obama's faith. Did you know that over 80% of the Muslims wanted him dead too?

I watched a film clip and Obama said, "My Muslim faith." I am not going by what others have said, but what he has said.

Secondly, I pay little attention to what politicians say. They are all liars. Pay attention, not to what they say, but what they do. That's how you can know them.

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I watched a film clip and Obama said, "My Muslim faith." I am not going by what others have said, but what he has said.

Care to settle this once and for all by providing a link?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Care to settle this once and for all by providing a link?

I saw it on TV, but a search brought up this link --

http://texasfred.net/archives/7453

The second clip is even more scary.

[ToGodAlone]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You are worried about Dominionism, and we got a Muslim in the White House? Do you have any idea what "scary" really means? Sarah Palin has other issues, but these "extreme views" should be of little concern to conservative Christians.

I used to listen to Terry Gross of Fresh Air, until I so sick of her ramming her liberal bias down our throats.

Come on now, Obama is a Christian. Whether or not you support him, you should at least accept that fact.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ToGodAlone

Come on now, Obama is a Christian. Whether or not you support him, you should at least accept that fact.

There is no fact to accept. Did you know that he has quoted the Koran more times than the bible since he took office?

Here's a short article by Youssef that my wife recently showed me --

There was a time when Americans sought presidents who did not just claim to be Christians; they also looked for candidates who reflected Christ in their daily lives. This does not appear to be the case anymore.

Leading into this election, the secular media mocks candidates who have a genuine faith in Christ -- and heaven help candidates who seek to live out their Christian faith. In fact, today, some in the media have reached such a low point that true Christian faith is viewed as a liability rather than an asset.

In the past, some candidates have used Christians to get nominated and elected, but once in the halls of the White House, their aides refer to evangelicals, the very people who elected them, as “nuts.”

Understandably, some Christians feel jaded by politicians who claim to be Christians and yet act and govern in a way that communicates that they are ashamed of the true Christian faith.

The current president claims to be a Christian, yet he hardly goes to church. He forgets to issue an Easter proclamation, but he never forgets a Ramadan proclamation. He mocks some biblical passages and he seldom quotes the Bible, but he is forever quoting what he calls the “holy Qur’an.” He is all for aborting babies, changing the order of God’s creation by undermining the Defense of Marriage Act, and having government bureaucracies take over the church’s charitable role -- and the list goes on and on.

Christians are not looking for perfection in a candidate; we know that only one perfect man/God ever walked the earth. But we are looking for candidates who are truthful and whose claims match their lives.

From my experience, American Christians are very forgiving when our leaders experience moral or ethical failures -- but only if these leaders are truly repentant and exhibit humility. However, when leaders cover up their moral and ethical failures with self-righteousness, that does not bode well with us and we feel betrayed.

No one can see into another man’s heart. While I don’t have a dog in the fight, or a preferred candidate, I would caution my fellow believers to understand that what a candidate believes deeply will be reflected not only in their lives, but also in their policies -- impacting our nation. “Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks” (Luke 6:45).

[UntoHim]

Guys, let's not make politics a "hot topic" on the forum. This started out about "a radical Christian movement" and has gone downhill fast from there.

Yu'all need to remember that I'm the kind of guy that clings to my religion and my delete button

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Guys, let's not make politics a "hot topic" on the forum. This started out about "a radical Christian movement" and has gone downhill fast from there.

Yu'all need to remember that I'm the kind of guy that clings to my religion and my delete button

I think it's good that some of this stuff gets to be said.

We'll try to behave ourselves, if you don't hit the "delete button."

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There is no fact to accept. Did you know that he has quoted the Koran more times than the bible since he took office?

Here's a short article by Youssef that my wife recently showed me --

What if Obama were a muslim? Are we having a clash of civilizations with muslims?

If the reports are true, Dominionists do not believe in religious freedom. Do you?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

What if Obama were a muslim? Are we having a clash of civilizations with muslims?

If the reports are true, Dominionists do not believe in religious freedom. Do you?

God practices free will. Dominionists have a god complex, but not the real God, who is not a dominionist. Freedom should dominate.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

What if Obama were a muslim? Are we having a clash of civilizations with muslims?

If the reports are true, Dominionists do not believe in religious freedom. Do you?

Islam has clashed with every civilization on earth. They started their religion by the edge of the sword. Today, they have advanced all the way to "belly bombs."

No, I don't believe in religious freedom. God desires all men to be saved.

[Suannehill]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You are worried about Dominionism, and we got a Muslim in the White House? Do you have any idea what "scary" really means? Sarah Palin has other issues, but these "extreme views" should be of little concern to conservative Christians.

I used to listen to Terry Gross of Fresh Air, until I so sick of her ramming her liberal bias down our throats.

Obama IS a Muslim...not by choice, but by birth (see Osama Dadok) His father was a Muslim, his grandfather was a muslim and his step father was a muslim and he attended a Muslim school (all according to Obama's book).
It's funny, the only ones who KNOW he's a Muslim are Muslims! Everyone else is in denial.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Suannehill

Obama IS a Muslim...not by choice, but by birth (see Osama Dadok) His father was a Muslim, his grandfather was a muslim and his step father was a muslim and he attended a Muslim school (all according to Obama's book).
It's funny, the only ones who KNOW he's a Muslim are Muslims! Everyone else is in denial.

I took a lot of heat for saying the same thing.

Thanks for showing up when I needed you most.

[RollingStone]

Originally Posted by Suannehill

Obama IS a Muslim...not by choice, but by birth (see Osama Dadok) His father was a Muslim, his grandfather was a muslim and his step father was a muslim and he attended a Muslim school (all according to Obama's book).
It's funny, the only ones who KNOW he's a Muslim are Muslims! Everyone else is in denial.

I can believe that Obama is a muslim and is practicing what the muslims call Taqiyya

The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur'an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”. A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart.

Someone else once said that if you tell a big enough lie everyone will believe it or something like that. I can believe that Obama is a muslim. Even what is happening in the middle east in view of this light I can see
Obama is coming from a muslim view even to the point of working against Israel. He didn't seem very hospitable to Benjamin Netanyahu even glaring at him. He contributed to toppling Mubarack in Eygypt and now Gaddafi (I don't know how to spell his name) in Libya. I think this may be steps to bring about a religous/muslim/state for the middle east that can be more opposed to Israel. I am hoping that the voters will not be misled 1 more time as they say fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I do believe still that Obama faked his birth certificate but the media has dropped following those still protesting that, maybe that will be brought up again as we get closer to the election.

Even his view of the world is of someone from outside of the United States. Just for expressing this view though I am sure some who are in love with him will immediately think I am a racist. I am hoping that in this country that this next election can conclude peacefully but I see people really have been polorized and I am afraid Obama is going to spend his billion dollars already raised for the election to escalate those differences to try to hang on to his position, power and agenda.

anyway we know who is the father of lies is, thought it might be interesting that muslims even have a word that elevates lying to serving their god.
I think someone should ask Obama if he believes in taqiyya and see if he knows what that is. He might even lie about that!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by RollingStone

The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving

Lying to support your belief is universal. Muslims don't have a corner on it. Christians do it as well.

And Christians tell all kinds of lies about Obama ... can't believe anything they say...

[awareness]

All you guys that hate Obama will be delighted that Al-Qaeda hates him too :...
http://www.newser.com/story/48912/al...nst-obama.html

Muslims in general don't like him either ... if he's a Muslim he sure ain't much of one....

And has anyone ever heard of conversion? I was born a Southern Baptist. That doesn't mean I'm one for all of my life. Else I wouldn't have joined the local church.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Rick Perry and Sarah Palin allegedly have close ties to a radical Christian movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation that practices exorcism of demons and practices "spiritual warfare" against other religions. The beliefs of this group are far more extreme than the evangelicalism epoused by George W. Bush. It is scary to think that either Palin or Perry could be elected President of the US given their extreme views. The movement's agenda is to achieve "dominion" over the arts, business, education, family, government, media, and religion.

There are lots of Christians affected by dominionism, which I understand to be Christians invading major areas of society on behalf of the kingdom of God.

I don't necessarily believe the kingdom will come as they say, but don't see how their ideas should be of concern to you. Radical movements in Christianity come and go like the wind.

Approx. half of evangelical Christians are full-gospel pentecostals, of various strains. Many cast out demons and wage spiritual warfare. How is that any different than the book of Acts?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Rick Perry and Sarah Palin ...

I am surprised with all of this discussion no one has actually mentioned the best thing about Palin. I for one was very happy when she entered the race because she was a lot easier on the eyes than that old geezer she was running with. I found if you just mute the news it was much more agreeable. Let's be honest, what used to be 6 months of intolerable noise has become 18 months. Personally I think all of our candidates should be first chosen based on their looks. Oh wait, they already are.

To me the basic principle is this, the harder someone campaigns to get elected the less I want them in office.