[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This is serenity lives. I’m wondering if you read the whole thing since you only made points about the first point but what I would like to ask is how is homosexuality fleshly? when it’s made with pure love. What happens when I am clear in my conscience that God approves? How do you know what God wants? The thing is my heart lines up with the basic tenents of Christianity. how can you compare homosexuality or same sex love between two commited persons who are pure to adultery or taking alcohol? Or even playing with snakes and vipers. I love my spouse and I will be commited to her forever, no matter what you think. Let God be the judge of that. Again you miss the entire point but I’m sure awareness will speak more upon this. “we shouldnt trust our own understanding”? this is what LC does to manipulate people into not using their minds. It’s not death I experience but life and you are implying homosexuality kills those among us. Where is the evidence? It only makes those conservative fundamental Christians uncomfortable.

I thought that sounded like you Miss SerenityLives! (I didn't catch the 1st sentence when I briefly looked at the message last night . . .) I did scan each paragraph in the article, and completely read paragraphs where I thought I needed to know more. I only focused on two main points from the article, for better simplicity of our conversation here. We can look at other things if you like.

Can’t agree with homosexual or any biologically based love being “pure love,” sister, that would be only God Himself, who is agape (Greek; unconditional) love The best we produce is not "pure love," no matter how great it feels.

I know things we do feel good. Gosh, I once was all about feeling good . . . back in the day that lead me into a lot of drugs, partying and experimentation (I'll let your imagination fill in those blanks), and that then lead into homelessness, jail and despair. And I'm still something of a Christian Hedonist (John Piper's term; meaning pursuing God as the highest pleasure of all), so I like to do enjoyable things and have a drink or two occasionally. Why? To feel good. Look, we all want to feel good, don't we?! Of course! And feelings are much about the heart. And the heart can easily be lead astray. That's why we need Him.

And "lean not unto your own understanding" is not my words, but scripture. The idea is to lean on Him and His understanding. Yes, the LC would have you lean unto WL's understanding, which is another rabbit hole. There is only one Lord, and one Word that is not a rabbit hole. All else, no matter how good or enjoyable it seems, is off the mark and falls short. (and to put it in terms of feelings, anything besides Christ alone will fail and fall short in the pleasure department too)

You don’t want to admit that homosexuality is a sin and you seem to imply that it is really God’s desire, right? That is between you and the Almighty. In my Bible homosexuality is listed as a sin, along with many other things. Let me ask this sister – is there any sin in your life, that is, anything off the mark . . . do you believe there actually is sin, or is everything your heart tells you okay?

Originally Posted by awareness

StG quoted "the letter kills," and then goes to the letter to make his points.

Scripture is scripture bro - it can be life or the dead letter. The problem is not scripture, but rather how its used.

My intention in that post was far from condemnation. In fact, just the opposite - in humbleness we admit failure to Him and He is faithful and righteous to forgive us. Why? Because He already died for every sin I have done and will do. He took sin out of the way and nailed it to the cross. Therefore, because of His righteous act, we are now called to NOT have a conciseness of sin - God is greater than our conscience - so we can boldly go to Him at ANY time! But that doesn't mean we don't sin - we all do because we all have the fallen flesh still. As regenerated ones with Christ in us, we are saints who sometimes still sin. And sin has consequences (hinders fellowship on our part plus other negative things) whether we see those consequences now or not. "The sting of death is sin." (1 Cor 15:56)

So what do I know saints? Truly not much! I am not the judge - He is. At the Bema Seat Christ will judge all Christians’ works to see what will remain. How much of my works will remain? I cannot tell (like the old hymn says). But this I know - He has done it all in love and harmful things will be fully revealed and burned away. By His mercy, grace and operation in us, may none of us suffer any loss at that time!

And please forgive me if there was any condemnation in my writing as that is certainly not my intention. But if we know something is harmful and we are silent about it, that is not love . . .