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Originally Posted by awareness
Sorry about my stupid fumble fingers ... Post corrected and added to. Thanks for the light-hearted correction.
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It was light-hearted but it was to a point: we all corrupt the transmission of the narrative. Simple spelling and punctuation errors change things; iagine what it was like when everything was orally transmitted? Did all 4 gospel accounts independently, simultaneously, corrupt in parallel the biography of the true, "philosopher" Jesus who spoke wise words as a rabbi did, but who did no miracles (because we all know that miracles don't happen), and who then probably died a martyr and whose corpse rotted in the grave? I consider that 4 parallel corruptions to be highly improbable.
And if miracles did in fact occur, why not the miracle of a young woman giving birth? The fiance was going to put her away quietly, to hide the shame, but she said that it was God who did it. So he believed, and took her as his wife. The guy believed. So, sue him, right - the dork, the schmuck. The putz. He believed.
I really don't have any problem with this miracle as portrayed. Still, Timotheist has done a good job with his investigation and it's worth considering the texts... and I'll say this in favor of Timotheist's emerging, "alternate" narrative: for all his talk of the "humanity" of Jesus, WL pretty much skipped it in favor of the "Processed Incarnated Father Jehovah" Jesus. Which makes no sense to me, because then the simple pronouns like "I" and "You" don't convey meaning any more. If the text says, "'I' come to do 'Your' will, O God, then that's what it says, not "'I' come to do 'My' will, O 'Me'". Words have meanings and we shouldn't ignore them in favor of our doctrines and theology.
"Oh, that was just His 'humanity' speaking to his 'divinity'"..... No; how about He was a real, live human being, on earth, speaking to God His Father in heaven? "Jehovah (My Father) is My ('My' being Jesus the man, the Son of God, the Lamb) Shepherd; I (Jesus a human here on earth) shall not want...." etc.
Gosh, a real man. What a shocking notion. At the core of the gospels, there was a real man named Jesus. What a revelation.