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Old 01-24-2024, 04:17 PM   #459
Jay
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Default Re: What is God's Economy?

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I welcome Jay and other new posters on this forum, I hope that you have as much fun as I have. I really like having a forum where I can express my views, and often I hear the view of others as well, very encouraging to consider what others see and think.

I mostly agree with the tenor of Jay’s writing, but like Zezima find the interpretation of “God’s economy” by Lee to be far short of the mark. I see three related issues.

First, like Zezima said, there is no verse in the Bible, either OT or NT, where it says, “Pray-reading the scripture is God’s economy” or “Pray-reading the scripture is food to us.” It says the Word is food to us, but it doesn’t say pray-reading. Jesus says, “To obey God’s word is food to us”, not to pray-read, in John 4:34.

Later, in John, he also says, “As I obey my Father’s commands and live, so also you shall obey my commands and live.” (15:10). Again, not pray-reading scripture, but obedience. Not repetitious noise-making but actions of compliance with the divine will as expressed in scripture.

My second issue with Lee’s interpretation of God’s economy is that it is centered on the believer, not on Jesus Christ. I (the believer) can exercise my human spirit!! That was the focus, they sold me a fantasy version of myself and I believed it. And notice, it doesn’t even say, “exercise your spirit” but “exercise yourself unto godliness” – again, behavior, not noisemaking.
So the believer gets enthralled with the idea of “making it”, when it is Jesus who made it. The believer gets focused on himself or herself, instead of loving the neighbor. We were told at FTTA “don’t waste your time” on the poor, the widows, the orphans. Get the “good building material.” Completely selfish in orientation.

My third issue is that it doesn’t work. I tell one story as an example. A few years ago, I sat in on a meeting with Ron Kangas. He told us a story about a woman in the church, who 38 years ago was flighty, nervous and vain. Now, he says, 38 years have gone by, and no transformation! However, he, Ron, was in a meeting with WL who told them to pray that God would make his home in their hearts. So Ron has been praying the special prayer every day and he’s assured that he’s transformed, not like this sister.

I heard this and thought, so “Just call O Lord/he’ll change your life” doesn’t work! She didn’t pray the special prayer. Every day for 38 year she called, “O Lord” but she missed the special meeting with the special overcomer prayer and didn’t get the inward metabolic transformation that we were all promised.

Of course it’s good to call on the Lord. Whoever calls on the Lord shall be saved. But the Bible doesn’t say, “Just call O Lord.” You also have to obey. But WL’s version of God’s economy reduced it to “just call”. That is deceptive.
I’ve already gone into some detail elsewhere what I think Paul meant by “God’s economy”. It was a riff on Jesus’ “Give to those who can’t repay you in this age, and your reward will be great in heaven.” See 2 whole chapters on this theme, in 2 Cor 8 and 9. Where did Paul spend 2 chapters on pray-reading? Or even 2 verses?
As far as I can tell the economy of God is a fully Biblical. And yes transformation is implied in the economy of God if the believer taps into the spirit. This is like describing the components of an engine to determine how it works. If a believer doesn't turn to their spirit and let the spirit of God saturate their inward being then how could they be transformed? The "engine" won't work. With that said, even if a believer is turning to their spirit for many years, it does not annul their dormant flesh which will always be with us until our body dies. This is also biblical. If "the engine" of the spirit isn't turned on then the "car of holiness" won't go forward

Here is a quote from a website on the economy of God-

The Greek word for economy is oikonomia (Ephesians 1:10; 3:9), which means a household government or a household administration. God's economy is His plan to dispense Himself into man so that He can gain a household to express Himself. This household is the church, the Body of Christ (1 Timothy 3:15)

https://amanatrust.org.uk/post/what-...mothy%203%3A15).

Some people might make it hard to understand, some might leave out key elements. But the basic gist is that if we turn to our spirit and live our lives in the spirit we will receive God's dispensing and we will live by him (John 6:57), this will bring transformation (2 Corinthians 3:18). Does it mean that we will be infallible? No. But insofar as we have partaken of and assimilated God we should be transformed to that degree. I see no fault with this concept and it is very Biblical. I believe it's the core message of the Bible and aligns perfectly with God's original design in Genesis with man and the two trees. The concepts of eating, partaking of, and assimilating God himself to be transformed into his own image is a concept that runs throughout the entire word of God

If you throw out the concept of the economy of God you might as well throw your entire Bible out with it
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