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Originally Posted by UntoHim
aron and others.
Our friend thoughtfully and intentionally entitled the thread "Is the Processed, Four-in-One God a sound doctrine?" And then ended with "Please help me on this matter". This warrants much, much more than a simple "no". After all, the "no" was a given. Our friend is looking for help. I took a few minutes and referred to the posts that I feel have headed us and him in the right direction. How bout we finish up on the main question before we head off into some of the other related questions?-
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Originally Posted by Kerry Robichaux
Because the believers are incorporated into Him, He as the heavenly ladder serves as the personal bridge to the Triune God, incorporating in Himself the Divine Trinity and the believers. This is the very center of the universe, for in Him God and man are joined together, and the ministrations of God are focused on Him as this heavenly bridge. Within Himself He incorporates the unique enterprise of God’s economy, that is, the Triune God operating through Him by the Spirit in the believers for the manifestation and expression of God the Father on the earth…In this way the believers become the reproduction, expansion, and physical continuation of the incarnate and incorporate Son of God and indeed the organism of the Triune God Himself. The Johannine Jesus as Bridge and Model for the Incorporation of the Believers into the Divine Trinity (2) - Kerry Robichaux
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If you look at the verse referenced by Kerry Robichaux, in John 1:51, Jesus said, "You will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man." Elsewhere as I've shown in post #48, the other 3 gospels have Jesus and the Father and the holy angels revealed together in glory. Nothing in either section about the Holy Spirit, capital 'H' capital 'S'. You have the Father, the Son, the ministering spirits plural. Now, elsewhere there is "one Spirit" a la Paul to the Ephesians. But should you ignore John, Jesus, and the synoptic gospels (and the book of Revelation)? Everything must be factored in.
So Kerry Robichaux is imposing an abstract motif, the ladder/bridge, and creating his own meaning, and - importantly - ignoring what the actual words of the scripture say. An abstraction is used to parse scripture, what is noted and what is ignored. And perhaps this is what our poster
Bible Believer can say in his LSM-run Bible study group. But I personally believe that if you get into fencing matches with abstractions, you'll never win. You have entered enemy territory. They're built for this - they love this stuff. I think that pursuing this line with LSM adherents is playing in their court. They love to shuffle words around. 'Trinity' versus 'Triune', and 'essences' versus 'energies', and 'Godhead' versus 'persons'. Its all a shell game with words, it's what they do for a living. If you want to arm
Bible Believer for that, be my guest.
But then, where is the love? No, then it's all about 'truth' which is really what definitions of words are used, which scriptures are 'crucial' and which are deliberately ignored. Who wants to play that game?