Ron Kangas- THE BODY IS THE FATHER

[Kingdom]

Here is another YouTube clip of Ron running his mouth again, lets have a discussion on this you tube clip on another dose of "Crazy Coworker At The Conference".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DFBqH9SAyE

[leonis88]

Amazingly... blasphemous. The man-God theology rears its ugly head here with zero shame and embarassment. How can any Christian hear this message and still associate with LSM et al?

[Trapped]

Does anyone have a link to the outline for the message of this conference? I'd like to see what is actually in writing and what this message was supposed to be about.

If I didn't know better, I would literally think this clip was a parody of Ron Kangas. This is honestly one of the strangest, non-sequitur, meaningless, nonsensical, unbiblical things I've ever heard out of the LC.

It's like they've taken a bunch of known spiritual words "church, saints, fellowship, Father, body, oneness" but are using them in ways that bear no resemblance to what is in the Bible.

On occasion he makes statements, but anyone with any contact with the LC knows that the statements he's making intending to condemn other churches actually condemn the LC's all the way to the bottom of the ocean.

And this was 14 years ago?? It's so kooky and death-laden I would think it was just last year.

And Ron Kangas's speech has become all the more hypnotic and drearily slow to put the listeners in a slumbering trance. He literally sounds halfway drunk.

[Trapped]

Just in case readers here don't want to take the time to listen, or take the punch to the gut in order to listen to his voice.....here is some of what he actually says:

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I have a very pleasant question to ask. At least, I think it's pleasant. Who is the father of the local churches? Just consider. You may say, "well, God is the Father." Yes, but that's not that practical. Then you may say, "well the apostles, they're the father." Well, apparently, that's right. But the apostles represent the Body of Christ. The Body is the father of the churches. Whenever a genuine local church is raised up, the body-father is involved. Oh, and the father loves all of his little children! And he has feelings for them all. Oh look at this one, he looks like me! And that one, he looks like me! They all look like me! All the churches look like the body! Now I'm in Peru. I've never been in Peru. But I feel at home in Peru. Because there's a real, genuine expression of the Body of Christ in Lima, Peru. I don't have time this visit to go to Chiclaio (sp?). But I know in my spirit it's the same. I know what's in your heart. That all you want to be is part of the Body of Christ! And the Body says Amen! The enemy wants you to be part of a system, with a hierarchy. But Christ the Head of the Body does not agree. All the genuine local churches in Peru are part of the Body of Christ. Any church that is not part of the Body is not a genuine local church but a sect.

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Um.......what?

No seriously.......what?!

[Kingdom]

It seems "Crazy Kangas" is back at it again with another dose of lunacy that reaches the tipping point of LC heresy. Trapped humorously said Ron Kangas must be drunk of some sort, I would say yes but not due to a distilled beverage. He is probably drunk on power and megalomania, due to the time of recording was approaching the annexing of South America from Dong Yu Lan to the Blinded Kings of Anaheim (in Crazy Kangas mentions how that region of the world was "cut off" from the body). The conquest of yet another poor submissive people going from one ruler to another. Look how he celebrates and becomes completely out of it, subduing himself to a drunkard of lunacy and heresy, and consumed with exhalation of himself. All this with the surreal statement of "God being the Father of the LC is not PRACTICAL enough, and therefore the BODY is the Father".

Oh silly silly Crazy Kangas, look how far you have gone down the rabbit hole, you went to Princeton theological seminary thinking you were going to be a servant of God, but decades later only ended up a heretical lunatic exalting/idolizing oneself to something you can never be. Poor Poor Silly Silly Crazy Kangas, how far you have fallen. I guess being Witness Lee little scribe in that back office, editing his heresy all day made you go off the rails just like Nebuchadnezzar when he became an insane and isolated himself in the wild due to his denial of the ONE TRUE GOD and his sovereignty . Come back from the wilderness and get back your senses Crazy Kangas.

[Sons to Glory!]

Wow! That's about all I can say - wow!

Where oh where in scripture did he ever imagine this kind of horse-pucky should be coming from?! W:eek:W!

[PriestlyScribe]

Just in case readers here don't want to take the time to listen, or take the punch to the gut in order to listen to his voice.....here is some of what he actually says:

Hey Trapped, I really appreciate the work you did on this transcript, it's now part of the video's description. BTW: You came really close on the spelling of that city - it's chiclayo...

P.S.

[Paul Vusik]

Here is another YouTube clip of Ron running his mouth again, lets have a discussion on this you tube clip on another dose of "Crazy Coworker At The Conference".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DFBqH9SAyE

While doing some search for the thread about the Heaven/Hell, mentioned in the other thread, I saw this one, and figured I’ll just see the video. But guess what, here is the message that I got, “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Living Stream Ministry”!!!

So this awesome truth that’s offered by the LSM and the LC, must be protected by all “costs”, and unless you are paying those “costs”, it’s is unavailable for everyone else! Please subscribe, and pay the fees to receive the latest revelations! The ground of oneness is an amazing plantation! It is almost filled, hurry, don’t be left standing with the “empty vessel”! Your oil, is running low, please don’t be an opposer of reality, and lose your sanctification/salvation/spirituality over such a minor technicality!

[Trapped]

While doing some search for the thread about the Heaven/Hell, mentioned in the other thread, I saw this one, and figured I’ll just see the video. But guess what, here is the message that I got, “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Living Stream Ministry”!!!

So this awesome truth that’s offered by the LSM and the LC, must be protected by all “costs”, and unless you are paying those “costs”, it’s is unavailable for everyone else! Please subscribe, and pay the fees to receive the latest revelations! The ground of oneness is an amazing plantation! It is almost filled, hurry, don’t be left standing with the “empty vessel”! Your oil, is running low, please don’t be an opposer of reality, and lose your sanctification/salvation/spirituality over such a minor technicality!

Also I just read the text of the video that I transcribed and....well......Ron is saying "the body is the father of the local churches"?

Aren't the believers "the church"? Aren't the believers "the body"? How in Ron's addled mind can something be the father of itself?

"God being the father is not practical"??? Right, so let's elbow ol' impractical God aside and put the local church body father in his place......I give up.

Trapped

[leonis88]

Interesting. Evidence of their blasphemy is presented to the public and their reaction is to reel it in so no one can examine it anymore. What a shame. LOL

[Bible-believer]

LSM took it off.

[Paul Vusik]

Also I just read the text of the video that I transcribed and....well......Ron is saying "the body is the father of the local churches"?

Aren't the believers "the church"? Aren't the believers "the body"? How in Ron's addled mind can something be the father of itself?

"God being the father is not practical"??? Right, so let's elbow ol' impractical God aside and put the local church body father in his place......I give up.

Trapped


That’s just a further proof, that the LC has their own jesus, own version of the father, and well, I won’t even go into the whole spirit issue. God of the Bible, is nowhere to be found, just the biblical vocabulary taken for recruitment purposes, otherwise this thing will fall on its face. It’s kind of like riding a bicycle, if you stop pedaling, it will just tip over, unless you’re going downhill!

[PriestlyScribe]

LSM took it off.

Yes Bible Teacher, that link is no longer working because the LSM watchdogs destroyed my YouTube channel. And I was just trying to help them avoid problems at the judgment seat of Christ. Where's the gratitude?

Anyway, here is a link to that same video on my new MendingMinistry channel:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WmN5RqLbukCw/

Enjoy!

P.S.

[Bible-believer]

Anyway, here is a link to that same video on my new MendingMinistry channel:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WmN5RqLbukCw/

Enjoy!

P.S.
Thank you, and sigh! What's wrong with Ron and LSM? Are they coming to a dead-end and trying to dig into the bottomless pit?

[PriestlyScribe]

LSM took it off.

Yeah, and LSM took it away once more as well. However we do have the original audio.

Here is a link to the audio recording where Ron Kangas was speaking those words. The really crazy talk begins at approx 58 minutes:

https://www.blendedbody.com/_cl/_audio/_Lima2007-32/Lima2007m1.mp3

And thanks to Trapped, we also have a transcript of Ron's nonsensical heresy:

"I have a very pleasant question to ask. At least, I think it's pleasant. Who is the father of the local churches? Just consider. You may say, "well, God is the Father." Yes, but that's not that practical. Then you may say, "well the apostles, they're the father." Well, apparently, that's right. But the apostles represent the Body of Christ. The Body is the father of the churches. Whenever a genuine local church is raised up, the body-father is involved. Oh, and the father loves all of his little children! And he has feelings for them all. Oh look at this one, he looks like me! And that one, he looks like me! They all look like me! All the churches look like the body! Now I'm in Peru. I've never been in Peru. But I feel at home in Peru. Because there's a real, genuine expression of the Body of Christ in Lima, Peru. I don't have time this visit to go to chiclayo. But I know in my spirit it's the same. I know what's in your heart. That all you want to be is part of the Body of Christ! And the Body says Amen! The enemy wants you to be part of a system, with a hierarchy. But Christ the Head of the Body does not agree. All the genuine local churches in Peru are part of the Body of Christ. Any church that is not part of the Body is not a genuine local church but a sect."

But anything goes with these Idol worshipers of Witness Lee who strive in vain to keep Their Inherited Evil Empire from crumbling...

P.S.

[TheStarswillFall]

what dis Jesus say about "the blind leading the blind"

[NewManLiving]

This is what happens when Sola Scriptura is changed in meaning; LSM publications are now the final authority for Christian doctrine instead of the Bible.

Churches that are not "Of Lee" are considered invalid and quarantined. Instead of the Son of Man, LSM agents are now walking in the midst of the churches removing lampstands.

God the Father is not practical for the body; Meaning the Father is impractical or nonviable. Another synonym is unsuitable. This is a great offense to our dear Father. For we know that we have the Spirit of His Son in our hearts crying "Abba! Father!".

Whatever this "body" is only the Lord and Satan knows. According to the Father's word there is only ONE Body and that includes all the true believers around the world, past, present and those to come. This other body is without question a cosmic counterfeit and borderlines on heresy. Ron seems to think he has the mind of Christ, he should have but he traded it in for the mind of Lee a very long time ago.

But give him credit where credit is due: Yes Ron, Christ the head of the REAL body, His Body, definitely does not agree with you.

[Nell]

what dis Jesus say about "the blind leading the blind"

I think it’s worse than that. It’s a doctrine of demons.

Nell

[Unregistered]

Just in case readers here don't want to take the time to listen, or take the punch to the gut in order to listen to his voice.....here is some of what he actually says:-----
I have a very pleasant question to ask. At least, I think it's pleasant. Who is the father of the local churches? Just consider. You may say, "well, God is the Father." Yes, but that's not that practical. Then you may say, "well the apostles, they're the father." Well, apparently, that's right. But the apostles represent the Body of Christ. The Body is the father of the churches. Whenever a genuine local church is raised up, the body-father is involved. Oh, and the father loves all of his little children! And he has feelings for them all. Oh look at this one, he looks like me! And that one, he looks like me! They all look like me! All the churches look like the body! Now I'm in Peru. I've never been in Peru. But I feel at home in Peru. Because there's a real, genuine expression of the Body of Christ in Lima, Peru. I don't have time this visit to go to Chiclaio (sp?). But I know in my spirit it's the same. I know what's in your heart. That all you want to be is part of the Body of Christ! And the Body says Amen! The enemy wants you to be part of a system, with a hierarchy. But Christ the Head of the Body does not agree. All the genuine local churches in Peru are part of the Body of Christ. Any church that is not part of the Body is not a genuine local church but a sect.
Um.......what? No seriously.......what?!

Definitely very wacky. Definitely not Biblical in the least. My spidey senses are telling me that Kangus is doing here what Lee did towards the end of his life- just start making up new terms that sound lofty to fool people into thinking he was still getting new light directly from God. What a charade! But yeah sounds to me like that’s what Kangus is doing here. These men are charlatans. These speakers are just grifters. Competing with each other to be the most prominent grifter. They either regurgitate and plagiarize Nee and Lee or they try to come up with their own weird doctrines. This one definitely stands out as a kicker as one of the goofiest things I’ve heard in the local churches

It doesn’t even make sense according to their own definitions. Lee says church means gathering of called out ones, and the body is all the believers collective. Therefore these things cannot be fundamentally designated to only the local churches. The church and the body cannot ONLY exist in the local churches. Those terms are universal according to Lee’s own definitions of them. So they are contradicting themselves anytime they say the local church is the only legitimate church (gathering), or the local church is the only recognized body of Christ, and they all have said this, even Lee. It’s like they really don’t think people are going to notice how contradictory they are. They really are confident in the delusion of their followers. They don’t have any respect for them apparently. But this one yeah, this one’s a doozy

The “body father,” ok. Sounds like a heresy on the level of the four in one God that Lee concocted. Not only is the son the father according to Lee, but now the body is the father according to Kangus. mmk ��

Ironic also how he brings up hierarchy as if only “degraded Christianity” has a hierarchy when the local churches have always had a clear and distinct hierarchy. Just straight up word waxing and lying to people

[Unregistered]

Have little stomach to comment on the nauseating subject of this thread topic (utter blithering idiocy! these poor innocents so duped they swallow this madness also?), only wanted to comment on the disgusting "hierarchy" hypocrisy in the last sentence, they claim to have no "hierarchy, but then "echelons" is quite readily and innocuously used, as in, "this is what is being talked about in the highest echelons of the recovery ... ". This is propaganda of the highest order, synonym substitution to keep the "no hierarchy" lie alive while still passing the message that something is straight from lsm hierarchy headquarters. Pray often for the destruction of the lsm evil system, but wonder if it needs to be kept intact since it appears to be a kind of institution of insanity that acts as a kind of containment for the madness?

A suggestion -- maybe when posting sewage such as this thread discusses, include a warning such as "WARNING: This thread contains BLASPHEMOUS NONSENSE - READ AT YOUR OWN DISGUST."

[OBW]

Have little stomach to comment on the nauseating subject of this thread topic (utter blithering idiocy! these poor innocents so duped they swallow this madness also?), only wanted to comment on the disgusting "hierarchy" hypocrisy in the last sentence, they claim to have no "hierarchy, but then "echelons" is quite readily and innocuously used, as in, "this is what is being talked about in the highest echelons of the recovery ... ". This is propaganda of the highest order, synonym substitution to keep the "no hierarchy" lie alive while still passing the message that something is straight from lsm hierarchy headquarters. Pray often for the destruction of the lsm evil system, but wonder if it needs to be kept intact since it appears to be a kind of institution of insanity that acts as a kind of containment for the madness?

A suggestion -- maybe when posting sewage such as this thread discusses, include a warning such as "WARNING: This thread contains BLASPHEMOUS NONSENSE - READ AT YOUR OWN DISGUST."Four legs, Good.
Two legs, Better!

[OBW]

I guess being Witness Lee little scribe in that back office, editing his heresy all day made you go off the rails just like Nebuchadnezzar when he became an insane and isolated himself in the wild due to his denial of the ONE TRUE GOD and his sovereignty.I guess you could say he is out standing in his field.